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  • The Constitution or The Big Lie?

    We've had almost 250 years of a peaceful transition of power. Our constitution is mostly about how we elect and who can be elected or appointed to the three branches of government. The Bill of rights and other amendments that people like to argue and litigate before the supreme court came later.

    It's worked pretty well for quite a while, but I'd say ran into a speed bump back on 2,000. That was when massive vote culling occured in Florida to swing the election in a state with a lot of electoral votes. Most of the hanky panky happened by simply crossing people off of voting rolls. Like people with the same names as convicted felons or for any other reason. Lots of Tyrones and what not. There were also very limited numbers of voting machines in districts that vote Dem in heavy numbers. Would you wait 5 hours in the sun to vote? Me neither.

    Florida also uses a punch card system and disqualified votes if the tiny piece of paper wasn't all the way detached. When a manual recount was held to physically look at voting cards to determine the vote there were organised disruptions by imported lawyers and out of state advocates. Ultimately a Republican Supreme Court voting on party lines stopped the counting of votes to assign G W Bush the presidency, which lead to ignored warnings of 9/11, the Iraq war of choice and occupation of that country, occupation of Afghanistan, etc.

    Every election since then has been tainted with that original sin of a stolen election. Gore had half a million more votes, but Bush had one more electoral vote. In 08 and 16 our government again changed hands, peacefully. As always there were quite a few shenanigans with voting rolls and machines, all things controlled by states. 2016 was a squeeker that no one saw coming. All the polling suggested Hillary Clinton would win handily, and indeed she got almost 3 million more votes, but we vote by electoral votes, not directly, and Trump won 18,000 more votes where it counted.

    To legitimize the peaceful transfer of power the sitting President, Barack Obama invited Trump and his wife to the White House the very next morning to pose for photographers. That's how adults support our democracy and the constitution.

    By 20 we had gotten pretty good at using paper back ups for every single vote cast by machine. No one wanted to trust to computers alone. We also have provisional ballots, people for any reason not on the rolls who insist they are legal voters. Those votes are verified and counted, also overseas votes, absentee ballots, and mail in ballots.

    And then we have the sore loser Trump, who rather than losing like a grown up and congratulating the fellow who bested him, he insists he won based on nothing, and demands fealty to the big lie like an emperor's new clothes type thing. Trump had a lot of good ideas and did some real good things for our country, but he was also a covid denier and that lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, so he got voted out. That's how things go.

    The big question now is are we going to have peaceful transitions of power into the future. I'm confident the Republican Party will win both houses of congress in 22 and the Presidency in 24. Will they appoint someone President for life? Or will they change our system to assure 90% of the vote the way Putin does? The Supreme court is becoming ever more partisan and acrimonious, can we depend on them to uphold the constitution?

    A lot depends on who is elected in 24.

  • #2
    You forgot to mention how Barock spied on his opposition! Barock, Hillary, and Brandon got the FBI and the MSNBCNN, and the FISA Court to spy on and upset this legendary transfer of power you pretend to respect. Read RIGGED, by Mollie Hemingway. Go see 2000 Mules, read the Time article about the FORTIFIED election by Mollie Ball again. Durham probably won't get a conviction in his current case. Washington DC is too corrupt for that to happen. The Democrats are the Anti-Post-Constitutional Party and 95% of the American citizens know it!

    Let's GO Brandon!!!

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    • #3
      The Big Lie!!! The system with electoral votes is how we elect our president , Demarcates did not complain when JFK won his election without the popular vote! The things I have witnessed since the Bush/Gore election is the big lie is the press. Without equal representation in the mainstream news there is no truth . Truth is Gore lost that election because he refuse to ride the Clinton wave of success , he was stupid ! Hillary same deal , she lost that election by taking the American voter for granted and was arrogant enough to think 2016 was in the bag. I was raised a Democrat, it’s not the same party as it was! Dems are a dog and poney show, the party doesn’t care about the country or the people ! They want votes and throw money at people . They make laws to make tax paying Americans criminals but allow criminals to get a pass ! You got what you want Dem president , Dem Congress , Dem senate , you have a open border and inflation threw the roof ! Gas at 5 dollars a gallon , a million Covid deaths . Roe V Wade in jeopardy because libs pushed it to the edge and past! Regardless I’m going to work today to try to offset the cost increases and have my business remain competitive . That’s what Americans do , we adapt and vote in the next election ! One last thing , if the press was real this election would not have any Democrats elected because there would be no spin and even so this is what kill Jimmy Carter in 80 ! There is a reckoning coming !

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      • #4
        Talk about a bunch pf pure bullshit, and you can count on ratsky to supply it !!!

        His above words of ‘peaceful’ transfer of power are just that, pure BS !!

        In the first place miss piggy was not one in the 2016 election to espouse kind and warm words in her loss, nor were they words of acceptance that all was on the up and up concerning her loss ! And then of course we had the promise from the D’s that they would not work with the new president, that they would see to it that he was not successful and even heard the words from the miserable muslim talib(sp) that they would impeach the mother*ucker.

        The election of 2016 was the start of all the present political problems and division in America and the blame can be placed directly on the dimwits where it belongs today !!! The biden administration has such a miserable agenda, which is being proven daily, that America may never recover from and of which ratsky makes no comment about. He can only criticize a man who is not in office in order to protect the idiot biden who is the cause of America becoming a sh!thole !!! Nice deflection ratsky, but you really have no other recourse do you !?!?!?!?

        FJB
        Last edited by bowhunter75richard; 05-22-2022, 08:15 AM.

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        • #5
          Wednesday morning in 2016, the morning after a long night counting votes in a close election, Hillary Clinton said,

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          We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.

          Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power and we don’t just respect that, we cherish it.
          That's how it's done. Not a big Hillary Clinton fan, but you don't go around whining and crying, you face up to reality and urge your folks to support the new President.


          https://time.com/4564480/read-hillar...ll-transcript/

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          • #6
            You would have a point if Obama, Hillary, and Brandon didn't spy on and treasonously undermine the 45th president. Using the FBI, the CIA, the MSNBCNN, Washington Post, NY Times to gin up a Special Prosecutor and spend $50,000,000 to get him thrown out and dirty him up. We all know how it's supposed to be done. In 2016 the Democrats went around the bend. Illegal, immoral, treasonous behavior was committed. Durham is working on it, but the corruption is so deep and the opposition is so well credentialed that the prosecution will not be sucesssful. Your fantasy of NPR and the Pew Foundation version of the truth is hilarious. Brandon's victory was achieved the old fashioned Democrat Way, they stole it! 100% turnout in nursing homes, a billion dollars in bribes from Zuckerberg and his minions. Democrats crave government power. Trump interrupted their regulatory God. The fear of his continuing to empower American citizens was to great for them to not act as they did. The courts were silent, to their detriment. Brandonistas bought this cluster on themselves. I hope deregulation drives them from power forever. They and their KKK soul have earned it!

            Let's GO Brandon!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rock rat View Post
              Wednesday morning in 2016, the morning after a long night counting votes in a close election, Hillary Clinton said,

              ​​​​​​

              That's how it's done. Not a big Hillary Clinton fan, but you don't go around whining and crying, you face up to reality and urge your folks to support the new President.


              https://time.com/4564480/read-hillar...ll-transcript/
              Sorry RR but it is a historical fact that Hillary had a melt down for hours and after those words she tried to undermine the results of the election . I realize these post of yours are meant to stir up the guys but there is nothing peaceful in the Democratic party right now. This is not Mitt Romney or Liz Chaney who hate Donald Trump and don’t vote party line , it’s a clear mob rule mentality that undermines Joe Manchin because he articulates his position and is ostracized for it.

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              • #8
                A former federal prosecutor says Bill Barr can provide 'directly incriminating evidence' about Trump's false claims of election fraud.

                https://news.yahoo.com/former-federa...132030478.html

                Kirschner said Barr can supply evidence against Trump in a court of law because he told the former president in December 2020 after he lost the election that his claims of widespread voter fraud were "bullsh-t."

                "Every day moving forward ... that Donald Trump said, 'The election was stolen, it was fraudulent, stop the steal,' he was lying and he knew he was lying," Kirschner said. "Bill Barr, his attorney general, somebody in a position to know, said it's BS, there is no election fraud undermining Joe Biden's win."

                "Donald Trump didn't care. He lied about it, lied about it, lied about it, and then incited a crowd to attack the Capitol and try to put a stop to the certification of Joe Biden's win," Kirschner said. "So Bill Barr has directly and deeply incriminating evidence against Donald Trump."
                Last edited by 99explorer; 05-22-2022, 11:00 AM.

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                • #9
                  You guys are saying, that the party that undermined 45 using the FBI etc, the party that weaponized a ChiCom virus against the American population, the party that rioted for six months straight and bailed out Molotov cocktail throwing arsonists and murders, wouldn't stoop to stealing an election??? That is your argument. The Democrats are too moral to do the things they did and have been observed doing????? They are too moral to do all that and then persecute a four hour reaction by hornhat and his buds??? You are saying fighting those Democrat M-Fers is a immoral act???? I call bull!!! I call total bull!!!! Trump and Rush and the American people deserve better than this. Fight for Right. American citizens have done it before.

                  Let's GO Brandon!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
                    A former federal prosecutor says Bill Barr can provide 'directly incriminating evidence' about Trump's false claims of election fraud.

                    https://news.yahoo.com/former-federa...132030478.html

                    Kirschner said Barr can supply evidence against Trump in a court of law because he told the former president in December 2020 after he lost the election that his claims of widespread voter fraud were "bullsh-t."

                    "Every day moving forward ... that Donald Trump said, 'The election was stolen, it was fraudulent, stop the steal,' he was lying and he knew he was lying," Kirschner said. "Bill Barr, his attorney general, somebody in a position to know, said it's BS, there is no election fraud undermining Joe Biden's win."

                    "Donald Trump didn't care. He lied about it, lied about it, lied about it, and then incited a crowd to attack the Capitol and try to put a stop to the certification of Joe Biden's win," Kirschner said. "So Bill Barr has directly and deeply incriminating evidence against Donald Trump."
                    Please stop , even Democrats say there was voter fraud , they just issue statements like “there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud “ We get it you hate Trump , truth is I don’t like him either. The fact is that he was beaten by a guy who has done nothing in his political career , who can’t speak or give a speech without a teleprompter and he still messes it up. A guy who did his campaign from his basement and he won by 10 million votes ?? Give me a break ! Without the press in the Democrats back pocket they would never win outside of urban areas !

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                    • #11
                      They only win in urban areas because they stuff the ballot box and own the vote counters and the police. Democrats own the best elections that money can buy!

                      Let's GO Brandon!!!

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                      • #12
                        They win in urban areas because most urban areas are heavily populated with ethnic minorities that tend to vote Democratic.
                        Get with the program.

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                        • #13
                          And speaking of the police,

                          Former Fox correspondent says police will have to start monitoring Fox News to prevent Tucker Carlson from lying on air.

                          https://news.yahoo.com/former-fox-co...145859849.html

                          The fact of the matter is, if you disturb the peace by starting a riot in a movie theater, cops are going to arrest you and you might end up in jail or you might end up in something worse," Cameron said.

                          "And that kind of stuff absolutely has to stop, whether it's the antitrust bill to take down and deplatform people who lie and put out falsehoods that cause damage and violent, violent hate — there ought to be something done about it," he continued.

                          Cameron was referencing Carlson's remarks on the Buffalo shooting suspect from earlier this week.

                          Last edited by 99explorer; 05-22-2022, 01:20 PM.

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                          • #14
                            So the thought police are going to arrest Greta Thundberg for inciting the Eco-loons like the Buffalo shooter????? Rachel Maddow is going to the slammer for revving up James Hodgeson, the guy who shot Scalise?????? I thought the Ministry of TRUTH was no longer a thing?? This thread was about the Constitution, you ever hear about that Snowhole??? Is there a southern boarder to the USA and are there any laws about coming across the boarder??? Who is responsible for allowing tens of millions of illegal aliens into the country despite laws to the contrary??? Asking questions for a friend who is a concerned American citizen who just happens to be a legal gun owner!

                            Let's GO Brandon!!!!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
                              They win in urban areas because most urban areas are heavily populated with ethnic minorities that tend to vote Democratic.
                              Get with the program.
                              You ment are paid to vote Democratic.

                              Let's GO Brandon!!!

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