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  • $10 Billion for USPS ?

    IF the Country has been using Absentee Ballots for years, why now do they need $10Billion for the Post Office to handle this years 'Mail in Ballots' ?? Absentee Ballots requires requesting an application and identifying ones self. Works good and fairly secure. Because this year mass ballot mailing will be mass mailing like junk mail - a ballot to every address on the roll. Everyone knows the rolls are NOT up to date. Many rolls have more addresses than the number of registered voters that live in the district. Many moved, died, etc. SO, anyone that can grab a 'junk mail' ballot can cast a vote. No way to verify. Fraught with fraud.

  • #2
    As I see it, voter fraud may work in small community elections where we are talking about hundreds of ballots.
    But in a national election with hundreds of millions of votes, who in his right mind would risk prison time to add another two or three votes to his favorite?

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    • #3
      Right after Obama was elected, the USPS was bailed out, don't remember the sum. The (D)'s assured Americans we would NEVER have to bail out the USPS again.
      Within a year, "Dirty" Harry Reid (D-NV) hornswoggled (boondoggled?) the budget for another $75B for the USPS!
      The postal unions* are literally raping the nation with unheard of salaries, retirement benefits and healthcare. No wonder it has to be bailed out every year or two.
      Hopefully, McJoy can get things back under control.

      *Private sector unions must be cognizant of the profit margin of the corporations they deal with. Nobody wants to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
      Public sector unions couldn't care less if the USPS is "profitable: or not, they know the Gov't will bail the USPS out, covering exorbitant wages, retirements and healthcare.

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      • #4
        Do you guys notice media doesn't cover Kung flu ? The big story is Post office now.

        What happened to The great plague?

        When they lose the dimwits want to blame the post office and have investigations.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Danbo View Post
          Do you guys notice media doesn't cover Kung flu ? The big story is Post office now.

          What happened to The great plague?

          When they lose the dimwits want to blame the post office and have investigations.
          I have listened to some thinkers who say if Trump wins the Dems and Left Radicals(Commies) will go ape - not painting a very good picture. Much Civil unrest and disruption. As we have seen from the riots it does not take many to create mayhem. One young black woman yelling at the white family that the blacks want their house as it will count toward reparations. That is some dangerous logic.
          BTW, if there is any reparations, the ancestors of the soldiers that fought and died to free the slaves should be first in line.
          Another thought I had is slaves in America probably had a better life here than if they were free or even a slave in the Country they came from.

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          • #6
            You boys keep falling behind in the news.
            You are still defending the financial distress of the Postal Service after Trump has admitted that he wants the political advantage of defunding as an act of sabotage.

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            • #7
              Fake news from the orangutan front, aka whiny nine: You boys keep falling behind in the news.
              You are still defending the financial distress of the Postal Service after Trump has admitted that he wants the political advantage of defunding as an act of sabotage.

              Fact Check: Debunking 10 Myths About the US Postal Service


              In 2020, we’re used to seeing falsehoods and misinformation spreading like wildfire online. Typically, they’re linked to breaking news, hot-button social issues, or scandals.

              The biggest focal point for online political drama today is an unlikely one; namely, the U.S. Postal Service. Representatives from both parties, conspiracy theorists, and even singer
              Taylor Swift are weighing in on the unsexy subject of mail.

              Make no mistake: The Postal Service faces
              real challenges that require congressional action to solve. Yet, while genuine differences exist between the left and the right about how best to address the problems, that’s not an excuse for melodramatic rumor-mongering.

              With the House convening a
              special session specifically to address issues involving the Postal Service, it’s important to separate myths from reality.

              MYTH No. 1: The Postal Service is removing sorting machines to sabotage delivery
              Postmaster General DeJoy is decommissioning 671 USPS letter sorting machines, according to an internal document obtained by @NBCNews.

              The machines can individually sort 35,000 letters per hour. Their absence would hinder delivery of election-related post
              https://t.co/PZSvQtBSos

              — NBC News (@NBCNews) August 14, 2020



              REALITY: The volume of mail has plunged in recent decades, due to the spread of electronic communication. As a result, the amount of infrastructure needed to manage the flow of mail also has declined.

              The Postal Service has been consolidating operations
              for years to reduce costs, a practice that predates President Donald Trump.

              MYTH No. 2: The Postal Service is removing collection boxes to block mail-in ballots.
              They’re legit taking the mailboxes off the street. Cheating 101. pic.twitter.com/hkXcV5vtBH

              — Isaac Hayes III (@IsaacHayes3) August 14, 2020



              REALITY: The Postal Service has more than 141,000 blue collection boxes spread across the country. Those boxes are moved regularly from low-demand to high-demand areas to maximize efficiency.

              Photos of those boxes on the backs of trucks are part of standard operating procedure, rather than proof of a nefarious, anti-election plot.

              Despite that, the Postal Service has decided to pause any further moving of boxes until after the election as a result of the online panic.

              MYTH No. 3: The Postal Service is locking collection boxes to prevent public access.
              Burbank, California:

              In your entire life have you ever seen a LOCKED mailbox at the USPS?

              Now you have.

              A disgrace and immediate threat to American democracy. Shame on them. Shame on the GOP.

              Where are you
              @senatemajldr ? pic.twitter.com/YcbVUTnv37

              — Rex Chapman?? (@RexChapman) August 17, 2020



              REALITY: Locked caps are sometimes put on collection boxes in areas where there is a rash of mail theft. Employees place the caps after the final pickup of the day and remove them in the morning, since collection box theft is overwhelmingly done at night.

              This practice also
              predates the Trump administration.

              MYTH No. 4: The Postal Service could go bankrupt before the election without a $25 billion bailout.
              As Trump dismantles @USPS, he's not only suppressing the vote, he's making it harder for people to get their meds, apply for jobs, and stay connected to loved ones. We're doing all we can for @USPS in the House. Help us urge @SenateGOP to do the same.https://t.co/Nz5dGydAO9

              — Rep. Nadler (@RepJerryNadler) August 15, 2020



              REALITY: Although some were concerned that the COVID-19 pandemic would push the Postal Service over the financial edge, revenues have been stable, thanks to a big increase in package deliveries.

              In addition, Congress provided a $10 billion loan to the Postal Service earlier this year.

              As a result, there’s virtually no scenario where the Postal Service goes bankrupt this year, meaning that a proposed $25 billion bailout has no reasonable connection to the coming election.

              However, Congress shouldn’t view this fact as a reason to be complacent when it comes to
              passing reforms.

              MYTH No. 5: The Postal Service plans to triple postage rates on mailed ballots.
              The Postal Service has informed states that they’ll need to pay first-class 55-cent postage to mail ballots to voters, rather than the normal 20-cent bulk rate. That nearly triples the per-ballot cost.https://t.co/d9bsW7pM05

              — The American Prospect (@TheProspect) August 8, 2020



              REALITY: The Postal Service provided commonsense guidance to state and local governments regarding how to handle time-sensitive ballot requests. This guidance was already in the works before Postmaster General Louis DeJoy began his job.

              Most mail-in ballot requests are made weeks or even months in advance, and thus can safely be sent using low-cost, second-class mail.

              However, some places allow for mail-in ballot requests a mere four days before the election. In those situations, it makes sense to use full-cost, first-class mail to
              ensure that voters get their ballots on time.

              The idea that this sensible guidance amounts to extortion by DeJoy should be laughable, except that it has been
              promoted by the likes of Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.



              David Ditch@davidaditch

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              • #8
                And now, for the rest of the story:

                MYTH No. 6: Postal Service delivery changes are illegal “sabotage” by the postmaster general.
                The law is clear: it’s illegal to willfully slow mail delivery, or to interfere in elections. @RepJeffries & I, as Members of the Crime SubCommittee of @HouseJudiciary, are urgently requesting the @FBI to investigate Postmaster General DeJoy & the Board of Governors. https://t.co/XjQ7M3vWZipic.twitter.com/Gvv96Tv0LD

                — Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) August 17, 2020



                REALITY: DeJoy, who assumed the postmaster general’s post in June, was selected in large part due to his decades of experience as CEO of New Breed Logistics, a supply chain company.

                The logistics industry’s focus is on maximizing cost-efficiency and on-time performance, both of which the Postal Service needs to improve. With that in mind, DeJoy has undertaken
                initiatives aimed at reducing costs and improving service levels.

                It’s too early to tell whether these changes will be successful, and DeJoy has announced a
                suspension until after the election. While the media reliably reports alarming anecdotes from postal union officials who oppose cost-cutting efforts, data shows that postal performance has not yet experienced a significant change under DeJoy.

                Representatives from both parties have expressed
                disapproval of efforts to pull the Postal Service out of chronic annual deficits.

                That’s part of a long-term trend of Congress’ imposing unsustainable mandates for the sake of its own political benefit.
                Liberating the Postal Service from those mandates would be the best path forward.

                MYTH No. 7: The Postal Service needs more money to process mailed ballots.

                Leaders of
                bothparties wrongly have suggested that the Postal Service lacks the resources to handle the millions of ballots that will be sent through the mail this year—meaning that it will require additional taxpayer funding.

                REALITY: The Postal Service handled about 2.75 billion items per week in 2019, with spikes at various times of the year, such as the holiday season.

                Mail-in ballots will represent at most a few percentage points of total volume this fall, even with an expected increase in requests due to COVID-19.

                Further, given that regular mail volume has
                dropped in 2020, the Postal Service has excess processing capacity. It does not need additional resources for the election.

                MYTH No. 8: The postmaster general “massacred” Postal Service management.

                BREAKING: Last night while you were sleeping, Trump's Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy, went on a rampage, getting rid of 23 USPS executives and displacing 2 of the top executives. He is seizing complete control in order to sabotage our election.

                This is a Friday Night Massacre!

                — Mrs. Krassenstein (@HKrassenstein)
                August 8, 2020



                REALITY: When DeJoy took over in June, there was a modest amount of personnel change within the top levels of Postal Service management. Much of that involved internal promotions. Senior departing staff were replaced by experienced employees.

                New leadership at the top of a large organization almost always includes some amount of change underneath, and the Postal Service is no exception.

                The change is similar to what happened when previous postmaster generals took over, rather than a heavy-handed “takeover.”

                MYTH No. 9: The Constitution requires a government-run Postal Service.

                The USPS is an essential government service guaranteed to us by our Constitution.

                It should be treated accordingly.
                https://t.co/zpigkhSTUn

                — ACLU (@ACLU) August 15, 2020



                REALITY: Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution authorizes Congress to establish post offices and to provide for “postal roads.” That doesn’t mean that post offices and roads are mandated, or that badly needed cost savings are a constitutional crisis.

                MYTH No. 10: The Postal Service loses money only because of unfair funding requirements.

                Congress created crisis at @USPS. 2006 law required USPS to create $72 billion fund to pay for post-retirement health care costs, 75 years into the future. This burden applies to no other federal agency or private corporation. Mend it, don’t end it! https://t.co/XzU23JJtPY

                — Barb McQuade (@BarbMcQuade) August 16, 2020



                REALITY: The Postal Service is weighed down by exceedingly high employee compensation costs, which averaged more than $97,000 per worker in 2019. Part of that includes a retiree health plan, which has obligations similar to a pension.

                Bipartisan legislation passed in 2006 required that the Postal Service prefund the retiree health plan like a pension plan, with money deposited as an employee earns future benefits. That’s intended to ensure that there’s money to provide for the health coverage when employees retire.

                Unfortunately, the Postal Service has failed to uphold its funding obligations, leaving the plan $69 billion in the hole as of
                last fall.

                Furthermore, the Postal Service would have lost more than $4 billion in 2019 alone even if it had not paid a penny into the health plan.

                Claims that the health benefit prefunding is “unfair” ignore the fact that retiree health benefits are uncommon (especially outside government) and ignore the fact that postal employees are entitled to the benefits.

                One alternative to prefunding is allowing the health plan to accumulate massive liabilities, which would guarantee an even bigger financial crisis than what the Postal Service is already facing.

                That would be irresponsible and unfair for both postal employees and taxpayers alike.

                The other alternative to prefunding would be to turn the Postal Service into a standard government agency, which is the stated goal of many Democrats.

                The Postal Service is not supposed to pay for itself. It’s a government function. Thank you.

                — Brian Schatz (@brianschatz)
                August 15, 2020



                A federal bailout of the Postal Service would be the first step toward placing yet another massive burden on U.S. taxpayers.

                Rather than allowing costs and deficits to grow unchecked, Congress should
                pass reforms that would enable the Postal Service to raise revenue and lower costs, stabilizing its shaky finances.

                From there, we should have a robust
                debate about the future of the Postal Service and whether its current structure makes sense.

                Meanwhile, the sooner we stop spreading unfounded rumors about the Postal Service, the more likely we will be to reach agreement on solutions.


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                • #9
                  Very informative, thank you. I am all in, in favor of #10, the pre-funding of health care and pensions, both of which are very liberal in the Post Office. When I was in business I could not compete with entry level personnel with the Post Office. They paid so much more and had many more benefits. Health care and promised pensions are why all the Democratic run big Cities are broke. Socialism is great until you run out of money. Now they need to pay the piper. I don't think Trump will bail them out.
                  One thing helping them lately is the UPS contracting with the USPS to deliver 'small' packages for UPS. There are millions of Post Office employees and that should be looked at. I know some young temporaries who covered routes for vacations. When they returned early they would be criticized as that would look bad when the regular carrier returned. True story.

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                  • #10
                    #10 - get unions out of the USPS. Savings will be mindboggling! The post office was relatively stable until JFK allowed Gov't employees to unionize.
                    I've said it continually and I'll continue to say it, "Union has no place in the public sector work force!"

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                    • #11

                      "Union has no place in the public sector work force!"

                      From what I've seen, unions have no place in any workforce. For every worker dedicated to doing a safe, efficient and thus cost effective job, there are two or three lazy, inefficient, worthless, brothers-in-law, fishing buddies, no-account son-in-laws, or some such, hindering production, slowing things down to "get more hours", or filing a worthless grievance just to get out of working for a while.

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                      • #12
                        No way to verify. Fraught with fraud.
                        Jim our state has gone mail in long ago. No fraud. Every ballot has a signature, your signature is compared to the one on file.

                        Other states are similar. It works. Gives me time to research ballot issues, and I run everything by my wife who is a very practical woman. No time missed from work. Post office even delivers them for free if you don't stamp them. You can see when your ballot is received just like ordering from Amazon. Best of all there is a paper record of every vote cast. If a recount is needed it's all there.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rock rat View Post

                          Jim our state has gone mail in long ago. No fraud. Every ballot has a signature, your signature is compared to the one on file.

                          Other states are similar. It works. Gives me time to research ballot issues, and I run everything by my wife who is a very practical woman. No time missed from work. Post office even delivers them for free if you don't stamp them. You can see when your ballot is received just like ordering from Amazon. Best of all there is a paper record of every vote cast. If a recount is needed it's all there.
                          No problem with Absentee Ballots that require an application. Not so with mass mailings like a shotgun blast, to all on a voter roll. Problem is, the rolls are very inaccurate - dead people, people that moved, women changing names, etc.
                          Anybody can catch a mass mailed ballot or MANY mass mailed ballots, sign a junk ballot and send it in with no way to verify. Don't conflate the two ballots, they are very different.

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                          • #14
                            From red rat: "Jim our state has gone mail in long ago. No fraud. Every ballot has a signature, your signature is compared to the one on file."

                            Old left wing trick. Calling a verified, requested absentee ballot a mail in ballot. Lots of difference, mainly, mail in ballots are sent to everyone on the voter rolls, whether those rolls are accurate and updated, or not. Absentee ballots have to be requested, and signed for, and signature verified upon return. Nice try, but not working, red rat.

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                            • #15
                              With mail-in voting, how long will it be before we know the results of the election? Each ballot has to be individually verified by signature, hand counted ! When humans are directly involved in something this complex, do we really think there will not be major problems.........really ??? No room for fraud some say, again......really ??? This will end up being a major catastrophe !! Why do people think we instituted voting machines in the first place ? A country of 350,000,000 people going to singly counting presidential ballots, yeah, what possibly could go wrong ? “Hold my beer and watch this” !!!

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