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    The Star-Spangled Banner

    O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
    O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
    O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
    'Tis the star-spangled banner, O long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
    A home and a country, should leave us no more?
    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
    Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
    Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

  • #2
    Not at all.

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    • #3
      Am I offended?
      No.
      Should I be offended by the Star Spangled Banner?
      No.

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      • #4
        The complaint is based on three main points.

        > The mention of slaves in the 3rd stanza and the assertion that Francis Scott Key was a racist.

        > There is no mention of women

        > The emphasis on war

        There is an often unspoken complaint about the reference to God.

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        • #5
          Pighunter writes:
          > The mention of slaves in the 3rd stanza and the assertion that Francis Scott Key was a racist.

          > There is no mention of women

          > The emphasis on war

          There is an often unspoken complaint about the reference to God.


          1. Well, we would have all been slaves to the Brits if the Americans had not won the Revolution, and would have again, had the Americans not prevailed in the war of 1812, when the anthem was written, by a man held captive by British forces. That is the truth, but Francis Scott Key's reference is to the virtual slavery that King George the III had previously held the American colonies in. There is no historical reference nor evidence supporting Francis Scott Key being a racist. In fact, the opposite is true.*
          2. Very few women were fighting and dying in Fort McHenry during the Battle of Baltimore.
          3. Key was known to be an amateur poet, as well as an attorney, and district attorney, and he wrote the poem in the heat of a battle!
          Spoken or unspoken, the complaint about the reference to God can go away. Our forefathers were godly men, and "In God We Trust" still graces our currency today.

          *Key purchased his first slave in 1800 or 1801 and owned six slaves in 1820. He freed seven slaves in the 1830s, one of whom continued to work for him for wages as his farm's foreman, supervising several slaves.Key also represented several slaves seeking their freedom, as well as several slave-owners seeking return of their runaway slaves.Key was one of the executors of
          John Randolph of Roanoke's will, which freed his 400 slaves, and Key fought to enforce the will for the next decade and to provide the freed slaves with land to support themselves.
          Key is known to have publicly criticized slavery's cruelties, and a newspaper editorial stated that "he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa." The editor said that Key "convinced me that slavery was wrong—radically wrong". However, Key did make disparaging remarks about His Majesty's
          Second Corps of the Colonial Marines—a British military corps composed of fugitive slaves from the U.S, fighting against American soldiers, during the War of 1812. Somewhat understandable, given the circumstances!

          No, I am not in the least offended by our National Anthem, I will stand when it is played, and I will be offended by those who kneel, or otherwise show disrespect to either the Anthem or the Flag.

          Last edited by crm3006; 06-25-2020, 03:22 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by crm3006 View Post
            Pighunter writes:
            > The mention of slaves in the 3rd stanza and the assertion that Francis Scott Key was a racist.

            > There is no mention of women

            > The emphasis on war

            There is an often unspoken complaint about the reference to God.


            1. Well, we would have all been slaves to the Brits if the Americans had not won the Revolution, and would have again, had the Americans not prevailed in the war of 1812, when the anthem was written, by a man held captive by British forces. That is the truth, but Francis Scott Key's reference is to the virtual slavery that King George the III had previously held the American colonies in. There is no historical reference nor evidence supporting Francis Scott Key being a racist. In fact, the opposite is true.*
            2. Very few women were fighting and dying in Fort McHenry during the Battle of Baltimore.
            3. Key was known to be an amateur poet, as well as an attorney, and district attorney, and he wrote the poem in the heat of a battle!
            Spoken or unspoken, the complaint about the reference to God can go away. Our forefathers were godly men, and "In God We Trust" still graces our currency today.

            *Key purchased his first slave in 1800 or 1801 and owned six slaves in 1820. He freed seven slaves in the 1830s, one of whom continued to work for him for wages as his farm's foreman, supervising several slaves.Key also represented several slaves seeking their freedom, as well as several slave-owners seeking return of their runaway slaves.Key was one of the executors of
            John Randolph of Roanoke's will, which freed his 400 slaves, and Key fought to enforce the will for the next decade and to provide the freed slaves with land to support themselves.
            Key is known to have publicly criticized slavery's cruelties, and a newspaper editorial stated that "he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa." The editor said that Key "convinced me that slavery was wrong—radically wrong". However, Key did make disparaging remarks about His Majesty's
            Second Corps of the Colonial Marines—a British military corps composed of fugitive slaves from the U.S, fighting against American soldiers, during the War of 1812. Somewhat understandable, given the circumstances!

            No, I am not in the least offended by our National Anthem, I will stand when it is played, and I will be offended by those who kneel, or otherwise show disrespect to either the Anthem or the Flag.
            Cm3006- thank you for posting that.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by crm3006 View Post
              Pighunter writes:
              > The mention of slaves in the 3rd stanza and the assertion that Francis Scott Key was a racist.

              > There is no mention of women

              > The emphasis on war

              There is an often unspoken complaint about the reference to God.


              1. Well, we would have all been slaves to the Brits if the Americans had not won the Revolution, and would have again, had the Americans not prevailed in the war of 1812, when the anthem was written, by a man held captive by British forces. That is the truth, but Francis Scott Key's reference is to the virtual slavery that King George the III had previously held the American colonies in. There is no historical reference nor evidence supporting Francis Scott Key being a racist. In fact, the opposite is true.*
              2. Very few women were fighting and dying in Fort McHenry during the Battle of Baltimore.
              3. Key was known to be an amateur poet, as well as an attorney, and district attorney, and he wrote the poem in the heat of a battle!
              Spoken or unspoken, the complaint about the reference to God can go away. Our forefathers were godly men, and "In God We Trust" still graces our currency today.

              *Key purchased his first slave in 1800 or 1801 and owned six slaves in 1820. He freed seven slaves in the 1830s, one of whom continued to work for him for wages as his farm's foreman, supervising several slaves.Key also represented several slaves seeking their freedom, as well as several slave-owners seeking return of their runaway slaves.Key was one of the executors of
              John Randolph of Roanoke's will, which freed his 400 slaves, and Key fought to enforce the will for the next decade and to provide the freed slaves with land to support themselves.
              Key is known to have publicly criticized slavery's cruelties, and a newspaper editorial stated that "he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa." The editor said that Key "convinced me that slavery was wrong—radically wrong". However, Key did make disparaging remarks about His Majesty's
              Second Corps of the Colonial Marines—a British military corps composed of fugitive slaves from the U.S, fighting against American soldiers, during the War of 1812. Somewhat understandable, given the circumstances!

              No, I am not in the least offended by our National Anthem, I will stand when it is played, and I will be offended by those who kneel, or otherwise show disrespect to either the Anthem or the Flag.
              Well said crm ! The way this country is heading we will be open to takeover by even a bunch of Girl Scouts. We are becoming a bunch of pussies. We are ashamed of our own pride being Americans, of having the gonads to stand up for ourselves as it might offend someone, of being white etc, etc ! We are being told to bend over for others who have different values, cultures, principals and ideas of accomplishment ! If there are those who do not care for the true respect of this country, get the hell out !

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              • #8
                Never knew about the other stanzas. I can understand why they're not used. Outdated.

                It's not easy to sing which has always been a complaint but who cares. Most people who sing it can't hold a note in a bag anyway so the difficulty doesn't matter to them.

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                • #9
                  Not offended at all.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ontario Honker Hunter View Post
                    Never knew about the other stanzas. I can understand why they're not used. Outdated.

                    It's not easy to sing which has always been a complaint but who cares. Most people who sing it can't hold a note in a bag anyway so the difficulty doesn't matter to them.
                    I agree, and never looked past the first part. With my voice, there's no way I'll sing that solo in front of a crowd. But, I enjoy the song and will sing it while in a group.

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                    • #11
                      Holy chit! Really let’s just erase everything that offends someone. I don’t like the gun control of 1968 it offends and paints gun owners as violent criminals and I feel that I have been demonized and discriminated against for owning guns. Legally owning and using guns.

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                      • #12
                        Is nothing sacred?

                        https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/...ennon-imagine/

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                        • #13
                          honk the phony writes-Never knew about the other stanzas. I can understand why they're not used. Outdated.
                          It's not easy to sing which has always been a complaint but who cares. Most people who sing it can't hold a note in a bag anyway so the difficulty doesn't matter to them.


                          Well, honkster, if you think our National Anthem is outdated and hard to sing, just stay in Canaja and sing Oh Canaja along with all the rest of the left wing libs. We sure don't need anymore of your type down here, we have enough kneelers now.

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                          • #14
                            The lyrics posted do not look like the Anthem I have read and heard. Sandy Patty sings the entire length of the Anthem and it is very different from what PH posted. Google her.

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4S2mJ7GUw

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ontario Honker Hunter View Post
                              Never knew about the other stanzas. I can understand why they're not used. Outdated.

                              It's not easy to sing which has always been a complaint but who cares. Most people who sing it can't hold a note in a bag anyway so the difficulty doesn't matter to them.
                              Last night I sang The Star Spangled Banner as the opening song of our karaoke session. It was relatively easy and Pighuntress says it went well. I think it surprised her

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