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  • DakotaMan
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    So far, what I gather from our experience to date is that this virus is worth watching out for because:

    1. It kills older people and people with certain medical conditions at an exceptionally high rate.

    2. Unlike other common flus, it is primarily transmitted by contagious people (who don't know they are contagious) through the air expelled from their lungs. The virus particles hang in the air for an exceptionally long time (as much as 4 hours) so exhaling in an enclosed space typically will spread the virus to others.

    3. The incubation period is high (as much as 2 or 3 weeks) so infected people can be contagious when they THINK they are fine.

    4. A large percentage of people below the age of 50 are asymptomatic. Combined with the long incubation period, they could transmit the disease actively for as much as a month or more without realizing they are killing sick people, older people, etc.

    With these issues in mind, it makes sense to be careful until we see how the ensuing months unfold. Infection levels and death tolls seem to be at a point where we can suspend sequestered life but we still all have to watch WHO WE INFECT and those who are in the high risk category must still WATCH OUT for themselves and avoid likely contamination areas as much as possible.

    These four characteristics of this pandemic virus could cause it to be resurgent in the next few months to we have to watch our step as we move forward. I am a high risk candidate and therefore will assume that any enclosed space with other humans is high risk and I will assume that many other humans will be irresponsible in controlling the spread of their infection.

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  • Ontario Honker Hunter
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    What I'm hearing is that the jury is still out on whether a person who has been infected and survived is immune from continuing to transmit the virus. I think the only thing worse than dying from this bug is making someone else die from it ... especially if it could be avoided. But hey, that's just me and my damnable socialist liberal (i.e. Christian) ethics speaking. A good American should only be worried about making money and the stuff he can buy with it. Give me my Golden Calf!

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  • rock rat
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    What county?

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  • PigHunter
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    Rat, apparently you have trouble even understanding plain English. I've repeatedly described what I went through in February into March with an illness that I now believe to have been Covid-19. Therefore, I believe that I am now immune and can not pass it on to others. Same for PigHuntress.

    In any case, I will still take my chances with my own health and those I come in contact with every day for the rest of my life. Got news for you, Covid-19 isn't the only virus that can kill you. Info now emerging shows Covid-19 IS NOT as deadly as was initially feared. Sure, I'll wash my hands more often, use sanitizer a little more, and try not to touch my face when in public. But that's good hygiene anyway independent of the Covid-19 scare.

    Yeah, yeah, you can repeat yourself as much as you wish but you're just making yourself look like a laughable fool on this site. Stay home if you wish, I don't care what you do there in Colorado.
    Why do you care what I do in Alabama?

    I'm still waiting on your apology.

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  • rock rat
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    Pig and Blub I have to say that trying to make some kind of ideological argument out of the pandemic is silly. Spin just doesn't work. You can cherry pick numbers until you are blue in the face, but the virus doesn't care. Most everyone who is collecting data is doing so in good faith, it's only those who present data and try to spin it that make things seem one way or another.

    There are a couple ways you all can help. You can not catch or infect other people, be a responsible contributing member of society, and ease up danger to the waitresses, nurses and others you put in harms way, or you can get the virus and help with herd immunity and perhaps ease up the burden on Social Security and welfare.

    I'll wait, they might well get a vaccine before too long, and your small contribution to herd immunity might help me out, thanks. (Assuming you care nothing for all those you endanger)

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  • FirstBubba
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    Originally posted by PigHunter View Post
    What I'm seeing in these graphs is that we're well past the worst of both the Flu season and Covid-19. Therefore, governments should lift all restrictions and leave it up to individuals to social distance, wear masks, etc. as they deem necessary for their personal situations.

    I got that data directly from the CDC to show Rock Rat that he's crying wolf. Now he's throwing shade on the CDC's numbers because they don't agree with his preconceived notions.
    That's just pretty evident pighunter.
    I guess if they just don't want to see progress and prefer gloom and doom....?

    I just don't understand how an individual can have high praise for the CDC because it's Gov't run, then turn around and decry the CDC for being dolts.
    So which is it? Smart or stupid?

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  • PigHunter
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    What I'm seeing in these graphs is that we're well past the worst of both the Flu season and Covid-19. Therefore, governments should lift all restrictions and leave it up to individuals to social distance, wear masks, etc. as they deem necessary for their personal situations.

    I got that data directly from the CDC to show Rock Rat that he's crying wolf. Now he's throwing shade on the CDC's numbers because they don't agree with his preconceived notions.

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  • DakotaMan
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    I'm not sure what you are presenting either Pighunter. The flu chart is presenting age breakout for incidents of the flu. They are not Covid-19 and the dispersion across age groups is about what we expect. Here you see the effect of most people older than 50 getting the vaccine because most strains of flu do have a more serious effect on older humans. I think the second chart is showing that the percent of deaths attributable to flu, pnemonia, AND Covid have been well within expected epidemic threshholds until recently anyway. When it comes to this data, we will never know what it COULD have been without drastic control measures and treatment measures used across the world over the past few months. What are you saying? Are you implying that the Pandemic level of transmission and mortality among aged humans has never been there? Or are you saying that our overt actions to contain the Covic-19 pandemic have been successful?

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  • rock rat
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    Not sure what you are trying to show here Pig. That there is no pandemic? Top chart shows everyone stopped going to the hospital around the third week of March. Yup. Ask anyone. No one goes to the hospital anymore unless they are feeling like they might die or they aren't worried about catching something because they've already got it. Think you have the flu, best stay home.

    Bottom chart shows spike of the 3 combined deaths around second or third week of April, yup, peaked at around 4500 per day. Seasonal fluctuations encompassed by two black lines. Bad flue season in 18.

    There are many very well done charts if you've an interest. Many use the one culled from data at Johns Hopkins. http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

    I guess the only sorry from me is I don't understand what you are trying to show.

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  • PigHunter
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    Well, well, well... looks like Rat and Whiney-Nine owe all of us an apology for their promoting of fake news and projections. Take a look at this trend chart from the CDC

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  • DakotaMan
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    A most appropriate reminder Rock Rat. This pandemic can be fatal to many who are elderly or have certain medical conditions. Traveling about infecting others is just an indication of someone who has no regard for others in society and thinks only of themselves. Unfortunately, we have a lot of them in our society so any that are at risk will have to watch out for themselves. It's still out there and its still fatal in some. If you are at risk, watch out for yourself and watch out for Bozo.

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  • Ontario Honker Hunter
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    Thanks for that Rock Rat. Obviously catching COVID19 can be a hair raising experience. Imagine what it would do to Trump. Oh my. That is an interesting image.
    Last edited by Ontario Honker Hunter; 05-20-2020, 11:25 AM.

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  • 99explorer
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    I believe our esteemed president boasts that he is a "germaphobe."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...rus-briefing-i

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  • FirstBubba
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    Originally posted by fitch270 View Post
    Very nice fitch270.

    I like this "fable"!

    The Lion & the Ass


    One day as the Lion walked proudly down a forest aisle, and the animals respectfully made way for him, an Ass brayed a scornful remark as he passed.

    The Lion felt a flash of anger. But when he turned his head and saw who had spoken, he walked quietly on. He would not honor the fool with even so much as a stroke of his claws.
    Do not resent the remarks of a fool. Ignore them.
    Last edited by FirstBubba; 05-19-2020, 09:29 PM.

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