Impeach?

[99explorer]

Jimbo - Trump's co-author (ghost writer) of "Art of the Deal," Tony Schwartz, says that Trump is not crazy like a fox, "he's just crazy."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tony-...b09538b5074c0c

[jhjimbo]

Everybody has an opinion and a A-hole. That's his opinion.

[FirstBubba]

I follow your point Rat that there are good people on both sides of the aisle, but that does not overpower all the bad issues that the dimwits are proclaiming what is in store for this country if they should ever be able to cheat their way into the WH. Their wanting no voter ID would be their way of cheating on any election !! Why they are against voter ID can only be for one reason ! I repeat myself once again, the dimwit party is the enemy of America, their stance on issues is the truthful fact of that statement !

America never has nor ever will be a "socialist" nation.

Each and EVERY clown in the (D) menagerie of nominees claims to be either "democratic socialist" or supports some advanced form OF socialism...up to and including socialized medicine, open borders, welfare for all and gun control.
Even old rat has expressed his desire for socialist ideas.

rock rat's sole purpose for posting to this site is to stir up discontent and then sit back and laugh.

Consider everything he posts, then consider the definition of:

virtue signaling - the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

[99explorer]

America never has nor ever will be a "socialist" nation.

Each and EVERY clown in the (D) menagerie of nominees claims to be either "democratic socialist" or supports some advanced form OF socialism...up to and including socialized medicine, open borders, welfare for all and gun control.
Even old rat has expressed his desire for socialist ideas.

rock rat's sole purpose for posting to this site is to stir up discontent and then sit back and laugh.

Consider everything he posts, then consider the definition of:

virtue signaling - the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

Like Donald Trump professing to worry about corruption in Ukraine:-))

[rock rat]

Bowhunter, voter fraud is extremely rare, and when done it's mostly for local elections. Vote caging, nullification, and disruption are far more successful.

The most common way to affect votes is to delete names from voter lists, then voters have to fill out a provisional ballot, which doesn't get counted unless the election is close, requires much form filling out, clogs up the ballot lines etc. Most people just turn around and don't return next year. There are other ways of going about this. One way is to delete anyone from the list who has a name that is the same as a felon. Like say Tyrone Brown or Jesus Martinez. Chances are those folks might not vote the way one wants, all 300 of them. Meanwhile the felon Tyrone is still serving the life sentence and wouldn't be voting anyway. Another way is send a registered letter to every voter, returned letters are struck off the list. People move, especially the young and renters (poor). Another great way to manipulate votes is to make it real hard to vote. Distribute one machine to the districts that overwhelmingly vote the way you don't want, lines will stretch for blocks. Announce on the radio police will be arresting people who owe tickets.

Of course this might turn around. Republicans have won a large portion of working class votes, in 16 a heck of a lot of first time voters registered R. Republican share of black and brown voters is increasing, but for now, keeping people from voting helps Republicans.

[bowhunter75richard]

Bowhunter, voter fraud is extremely rare, and when done it's mostly for local elections. Vote caging, nullification, and disruption are far more successful.

The most common way to affect votes is to delete names from voter lists, then voters have to fill out a provisional ballot, which doesn't get counted unless the election is close, requires much form filling out, clogs up the ballot lines etc. Most people just turn around and don't return next year. There are other ways of going about this. One way is to delete anyone from the list who has a name that is the same as a felon. Like say Tyrone Brown or Jesus Martinez. Chances are those folks might not vote the way one wants, all 300 of them. Meanwhile the felon Tyrone is still serving the life sentence and wouldn't be voting anyway. Another way is send a registered letter to every voter, returned letters are struck off the list. People move, especially the young and renters (poor). Another great way to manipulate votes is to make it real hard to vote. Distribute one machine to the districts that overwhelmingly vote the way you don't want, lines will stretch for blocks. Announce on the radio police will be arresting people who owe tickets.

Of course this might turn around. Republicans have won a large portion of working class votes, in 16 a heck of a lot of first time voters registered R. Republican share of black and brown voters is increasing, but for now, keeping people from voting helps Republicans.

......”keeping people from voting helps Republicans......” .

And then I would strongly believe, that having no ID controls would help D’s in their voting numbers. If not, why the big fight to not allow stricter voting measures by the D’s ? Their give away programs are for the purpose of favoritism to the immigrants and welfare recipients in hopes of votes for the party ! But then, I am very sure there will be those who will not agree with the truth of those words, and those disagreeing will be all the D’s present presidential candidates.

[99explorer]

Here is another log on the fire.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ve-seen-e...182200678.html

[99explorer]

A quotation from the article answers the question of why not wait and let the election decide:

The board asked: “If the president was willing in this case to subvert US foreign policy for personal and political gain, why wouldn’t he feel emboldened to do it again?”

[jhjimbo]

Prof. Dershowicz of Harvard is on tonight, Sun Dec. 8, with Art Levin 8PM ? On why Trump can not be impeached.

[99explorer]

Prof. Dershowitz's defense of Trump can be summed up in a quotation from another TV interview given by Dershowitz.

"What happened on those phone calls, and is there any possibility that there is an impeachable offense? — the answer is no. There is no possibility. Take the worst, worst, worst-case scenario — the president abused his foreign policy power to gain political advantage. How many presidents have done that over time? It's not among the listed impeachable offenses. It's not a crime —"

He also rules out bribery based on Trump's explanation that he held up the funds because he wanted to be sure that Ukraine was not corrupt. Case closed.

[rock rat]

Off topic but to reply. You're right bowhunter, no IDs helps Dems. Often the people without a driver's license are poor or handicapped, or live in cities where they don't need to drive and never have, the elderly who have lived the same place forever and know the people at the polling place. Often back in the day simply being registered, (which often involved other forms like birth certificates etc) was enough, when holding a caucus all I do is check names against a list and try to update phone and email #s. What doesn't happen is people committing fraud by claiming to be a citizen or that they aren't a felon. People are too lazy, the penalties are serious, and it's extremely unlikely to have the tiniest effect.

I wish the R party would compete for those votes instead of trying to suppress them. Gosh knows the Ds aren't doing a very good job of reducing poverty. I wouldn't think it would take much to do better. I see old people standing up working at 75 and 80, not as a hobby but because Social Security won't pay the bills, or Medicaid won't.

[jhjimbo]

Rock, your position on ID is rather just excuses . You need I.D. to live. How about the Dr., the Library, banking, and a hundred other things. People don't want one for one reason - to cheat on Election Day. I think those that don't have I.D. be required to dip a finger in indelible ink after voting, just like they do in the Middle East and other parts of the World. Problem solved.

[CD2]

I have seen folks legally sign with an X at voting places.
Vocal about their choices too.
Straight ticket.................D.
Illiterate, learning disabled (maybe dyslexia?).
Maybe just lazy freakin trash some of em.

Seen it more than once, working in the gun shop...............urbans show up, want to buy a gun or use the range, no ID. five of them one time, four without ID.
Who in the hell goes around without ID?

Dems and thugs, maybe that's redundant.

[CD2]

They held a school meeting, to address the problem of black kids not graduating.
State deal.
Know how many black folks showed up?
How many black faculty showed up?
This in town, easy bus access.

Zero.

#1 problem w public school is young black males not graduating.
Also #1 crime problem......same group.

They'll cry about it when TV cameras show up.............but if no cameras around, nobody cares.

They as a group are lazy.

So quit saying they won't vote because of this or that. The D party people will call and come pick you up and take you to and from the voting place.

And many will still not vote.

To hell w em. Feel sorry not one damn bit. Poison to society.
Work with a bunch of blacks and rednecks.
Many are non political in discussion.
Find out later why..................they aren't political because they are not neutral...................they're felons.

They can't vote.

LMFAO

[rock rat]

Impeachment is the most important issue for both Ds and Rs of late according to a NYT survey. They lumped impeachment in with other issues and asked them to be rated against each other, tried it in all different combinations, also asked which issues they'd be willing to sacrifice to win on impeachment. Surprising to me. I just don't consider it to be that big a deal. All the lying, self dealing, and subterfuge yes, but the impeachment itself not as much. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/u...n=The%20Upshot Guns, reparations, wall also big for Rs but impeachment tops the list. Immigrant kids, slightly more important for Dems, also no wall and abortion up top. Issues to be sacrificed to get their way are willing to sacrifice Union support, Green New Deal, Debt free college for Dems, vouchers, trade, merit based immigration, are the issues Rs ready to sacrifice for.


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I wonder what the results would have been if they'd surveyed independents.