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  • Sad state of affairs.

    Recently visited my youngest in S. Texas.
    Wearing your uniform, except on duty, is "dangerous"!
    Who (people my age?) would have thought that a respected LEO, especially a Fed LEO, in a service uniform would be subject to ridicule, revenge and attack simply because of their "uniform" and department of employment?
    It is the norm for those people to wear civies to work and "suit up", so to speak, before going on duty.
    Sadly, even those in "civies" are pretty darn evident!
    This has become the "norm" also in just about every LEO organization in the U.S..

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    Kind of a vague complaint.
    The story would be improved with a few details.
    Just sayin.'

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
      Kind of a vague complaint.
      The story would be improved with a few details.
      Just sayin.'
      What's vague?
      Wearing their uniform to work opens off duty Fed LEO's to ridicule, abuse and even revenge.
      On duty, they always travel in groups. More for safety's sake (strength in numbers) than anything else.
      Off duty, which also means on the way to work or home, an agent is just another armed citizen, not a LEO.

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      • #4
        It is not the "norm" anywhere I have lived in the U.S., for a LEO to be subject to "ridicule, revenge and attack" while in uniform.
        That would be grounds for arrest.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
          It is not the "norm" anywhere I have lived in the U.S., for a LEO to be subject to "ridicule, revenge and attack" while in uniform.
          That would be grounds for arrest.
          Good.
          Then YOU don't have a problem.

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          • #6
            When I lived in NYC a long time ago, I knew a young NYPD rookie patrolman who lived with his parents around the block from me.
            One dark summer night when he was coming home from his shift in uniform, he was jumped by a gang of big teen-aged neighborhood kids that he grew up with, and they dragged him into a vacant lot where, as a practical joke, they stripped him of his uniform, badge, gun and nightstick, and left him to walk the rest of the way home and ring his parents doorbell, standing in his underwear.
            Because he knew the names of the kids, he and his father were able to visit their houses to collect his belongings.
            You can bet their parents gave them holy hell for pulling a stunt like that, where they could have been killed.
            That is a true story, and I offer it as an example of abuse, WITH DETAILS.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post

              What's vague?
              Wearing their uniform to work opens off duty Fed LEO's to ridicule, abuse and even revenge.
              On duty, they always travel in groups. More for safety's sake (strength in numbers) than anything else.
              Off duty, which also means on the way to work or home, an agent is just another armed citizen, not a LEO.
              Wrong Bubba, an off-duty is not just a citizen, he is an off-duty LEO. Many Depts. require him to carry a firearm. Very different person in the eyes of the Law.

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              • #8
                LEOs have murder rates far below those of many major cities and job related death rates far below common jobs like trucking and agriculture. We hear that cops deserve respect for putting their lives on the line eveyday when actually their jobs are pretty safe.
                As for ridicule and harassment, well, our government (especially federal) is a hot mess full of bad laws. If you're the one who upholds all that, maybe you do deserve criticism. I don't believe in agentism, if a law is wrong, and you enforce it, you are guilty of that wrong yourself. "Bound to uphold the law" was tried at Nuremberg, didn't hold water then and doesn't hold water now.

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                • #9
                  HF - Law enforcement officers in this country do not have the privilege of deciding which laws they will enforce, based on their personal opinion as to their constitutionality.
                  "We are a nation off laws, not of men." - John Adams.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
                    HF - Law enforcement officers in this country do not have the privilege of deciding which laws they will enforce, based on their personal opinion as to their constitutionality.
                    "We are a nation off laws, not of men." - John Adams.
                    Constitutionality is irrelevant. It is a question of universal morals. The holocaust may have been perfectly legal under all German law, yet the fact that it was law was and is no excuse as demonstrated by tge Nuremberg trials.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Harmonious Fulmination View Post

                      Constitutionality is irrelevant. It is a question of universal morals. The holocaust may have been perfectly legal under all German law, yet the fact that it was law was and is no excuse as demonstrated by tge Nuremberg trials.
                      I thought you were a Constitutionalist, now you’re a Globalist? Anarchist?



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fitch270 View Post

                        I thought you were a Constitutionalist, now you’re a Globalist? Anarchist?


                        I'm not an anarchist, I just expect people to exercise conscience first. I simply believe no law or agreement overrides pre-existing moral obligations.

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                        • #13
                          Fair enough.

                          However ridicule and harassment have nothing to do with criticism. Morally two wrongs don't make a right either.

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                          • #14
                            HF - The Holocaust was never "perfectly legal under all German law," which is why it was kept secret.
                            Where do you get this stuff?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
                              Kind of a vague complaint.
                              The story would be improved with a few details.
                              Just sayin.'
                              Blog cop?
                              Self appointed editor?
                              Bite me!
                              My post. I'll post as I please.
                              Don't like it?
                              Don't participate!
                              Just sayin'.

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