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  • Here comes the wall!!!

    From what little research I've seen, part of it from the DOD, part from somewhere else plus the $1.37B from the bill will equal +/- $8B.

    (D)'s are threatening to sue. We know they (D)'s will "judge shop" at the Ninth "Circus"!

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...ement-n2541545
    Last edited by FirstBubba; 02-15-2019, 02:19 PM.

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    Yep. May take longer than we wish, but that WALL, she is a comin'! President Trump himself outlined the very scenario you just wrote, 9th Circus, appellate court, and win in SCOTUS. The budget deal put together by the supposedly "bipartisan" committee was an insult to Trump, the DHS, the Border Patrol and DPS officers (from Texas), and the military units now guarding the southern border. Seems there was more in it about coddling illegal invaders than there was about securing the border.
    Was standing up and cheering when the President shut down Acosta and he other goober that were questioning his statics, numbers, etc. Trump is the President, and I'm purty damn sure he has a better handle on our southern border than a biased ignoramus like Acosta. Great response when Acosta was told to ask the Angel family members if we needed a wall!
    As for "setting a precedent" that a demoncrat president could use in the future, I think that is just a bugaboo run out by naysayers and idjits like the Humongous Flatulence. However, should that ever come to pass, we can only hope and pray that the Republican opposition will be as stiff as Pelosi and Schumer have been, and that the demoncrats don't go so far as to
    precipitate a civil war upon the nation.

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    • #3
      The best part of all this maneuvering is that the money will be coming from funds already appropriated, and will not be adding $8 billion on top of our $22 trillion national debt.

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      • #4
        Come to think about it, setting a precedent may not be such a bad thing, because the Democrats don't always need a precedent to take some outrageous action, like killing the filibuster rule for judicial appointments.
        It came back to bite them in the ass with the Gorsuch and Kavanaugh appointments to the Supreme Court.

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        • #5
          Right you are '06!
          Just like I told MtM, polls and stats are just a bunch of numbers that can be manipulated to make what ever statement you need.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
            Come to think about it, setting a precedent may not be such a bad thing, because the Democrats don't always need a precedent to take some outrageous action, like killing the filibuster rule for judicial appointments.
            It came back to bite them in the ass with the Gorsuch and Kavanaugh appointments to the Supreme Court.
            "precedent" is a huge factor in (D) politics. Literally everything they pass is unConstitutional and would not pass the muster of a Conservative SCOTUS.
            There only hope is to pass it into law until it's upheld in some obscure, liberal clown show court and it becomes "law via precedent".
            By the time any well meaning entity can reverse it, the damage is already done.

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            • #7
              Bubba - Like when Pres. Trump said this morning that a disproportionate number of prisoners incarcerated in this country are illegal aliens.
              Many of them are incarcerated just for being in this country illegally.

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              • #8
                Crossing illegally into the U.S. is a "felony", punishable by incarceration.
                SOP is to process "first timers" and give them a sandwich, bottle of water and a free one way ticket back to "country of origin".
                Repeat offenders aren't normally incarcerated until they prove they won't stay out of the U.S..
                Sadly, the repeaters are usually guilty of other crimes more serious than illegal entry. It's normally the more serious stuff that gets them tossed in the clink.

                It takes several "illegal entry" violations before CBP decides, "This one AIN'T getting the message!" and moves to prosecute.
                Unlike police officers, if a CBP agent is called to testify in court, he/she WILL be in court.

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                • #9
                  The same old "National Emergency" baloney. It will get canned in court. No doubt about it. If Trump tries to move money budgeted for other branches, it will mean layoffs and other contracts being cancelled = pissed off out of work voters. All those Trumplodites applauding the useless wall will be singing a different tune when they are out of work ... again ... and the economy is in the toilet ... again thanks to GOP foolishness (i.e. Bush administration and the mortgage collapse of 2008-09). Anyway, the Wall wouldn't get half done before Trump is turned out.

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                  • #10
                    I think the courts will probably uphold the right of the president to declare a national emergency, but not the authority to impound and divert funds appropriated by congress for specific purposes.
                    Last edited by 99explorer; 02-15-2019, 06:26 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
                      [COLORI=#AFEEEE]I think the courts will probably uphold the right of the president to declare a national emergency, but not the authority to impound and divert funds appropriated by congress for specific purposes. [/COLOR]
                      Best I could tell, the funds he is "redirecting" were in "general fund" accounts and not earmarked for any "specific" purpose.

                      Of course, by the time the (D)'s and the pundits get through, they will swear the money was for "Gold Star" families and terminally ill children.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ontario Honker Hunter View Post
                        The same old "National Emergency" baloney. It will get canned in court. No doubt about it. If Trump tries to move money budgeted for other branches, it will mean layoffs and other contracts being cancelled = pissed off out of work voters. All those Trumplodites applauding the useless wall will be singing a different tune when they are out of work ... again ... and the economy is in the toilet ... again thanks to GOP foolishness (i.e. Bush administration and the mortgage collapse of 2008-09). Anyway, the Wall wouldn't get half done before Trump is turned out.
                        ....and if you're wrong, as usual?

                        Honk, you keep forgetting, Trump is NOT a politician!
                        That's the reason the (D)'s are mad!

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                        • #13
                          I think the diverted funds are coming from:
                          $3.5 billion Dept. of Defense military construction budget
                          $2.5 billion Dept. of Defense drug interdiction program
                          $600 million Treasury Dept. drug forfeiture program
                          This is on top of the $1.375 billion in the new bill.

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                          • #14
                            BTW - I think Trump would be making a big mistake if he expects that his newly appointed members of SCOTUS will vote his way out of loyalty to him personally.

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                            • #15
                              Quoting Reason Magazine:
                              According to a 2007 reportfrom the Congressional Research Service (CRS), the 1976 National Emergencies Act entitles the president to "statutory delegations from Congress" that let him "seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."

                              So basically it gives the president power to do anything. That's scary shite. Shifting funds and doing what he wants with them is one thing but seizing property and controlling mean's of production is socialist agenda waiting to happen. Just you wait for climate change or income inequality to be the next crisis.

                              "However, should that ever come to pass, we can only hope and pray that the Republican opposition will be as stiff as Pelosi and Schumer have been, and that the demoncrats don't go so far as to precipitate a civil war upon the nation."

                              Legislative resistance is futile it's up to the courts now. Are you really betting your hopes that when Dems use this to regulate or nationalize energy to see that it doesn't destroy the climate, seize rich guys billions to combat income inequality (Ann Coulter supports a 90% top income tax and Repubs would gladly see Bezos get it stuck to him so people are unlikely to care,) or shift military funds for national gun buy back programs that will really drive us to a civil war that will probably destory the county and kill untold civilians and servicemen regardless of which side they choose? Sounds like a mall preppers day fantasy. But even if it did don't you think it would just be easier to avoid the consolidation of power that led to that destructive event?
                              Also, I don't want a political stategy that it based on hoping and praying.
                              You're an idiot.

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