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  • Canadian handgun ban.

    "bearingarms" had this article this morning.
    Please note down in the article, a bill has been proposed that will limit the way Canadians buy, sell and transport arms along with the type of arms they may own.

    https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/0...e-handgun-ban/

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    That's ok Bubba, a person only NEEDS a obsolescent, military style bolt action rifle in calibre .30-06.

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    • #3
      I don't even bother opening those bearingarms.com links. Mostly uninformed inflammatory rhetoric.

      Here's a better informed link with both sides presented: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tas...iner-1.4833034


      I don't have a problem with enhanced background checks. Calibre magazine's claim that anyone with an antidepressant prescription ten years old would be denied firearms Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) is BS. I know that for a fact. I was prescribed antidepressants after the death of my wife and son nine years ago and have renewed my license twice since then ... no, actually three times (one card had numbers and photo wear off [replaced in three days]). No problems. Seems the political opposition doesn't have much of a problem with this part of the bill (how could they?) so I'm sure it will fly.

      I also don't have a problem with the mandatory record keeping part of the bill. I actually very MUCH opposed getting rid of the old long gun registry. It was an excellent deterrent against theft of my guns. What could a thief do with them? Thief couldn't even risk hunting with a stolen gun. First thing the Conservation Officer did at a checkpoint was ask for "License and registration." No registration and the gun went with him and a citation went with you. If the gun turned out to be stolen, you lost it, received criminal charges, and lost your PAL. A helluva lot of deterrents for some law-abiding person to risk a dicey acquisition from a shady individual. I personally think cops should be able to look at the vendor's registry records without a warrant ("the 1977 provisions" that were revoked by Conservative regime). Doesn't bother me a bit. Guns are valuable personal property, not to mention dangerous weapons. I am more than willing to make some concessions to my privacy to ensure their and my security. That's the cops' job. I don't mind making it easier for them. Anyway, some of the major retailers have already been retaining records of gun transactions as a matter of practice for a long time, apparently for the convenience of gun purchasers who have their guns stolen and need to report a serial number to police and/or insurance company.

      The changes to restricted weapons transport doesn't affect me because I don't own handguns or ARs. I think this is much ado about very little. Since going to and from the range is the most often encountered transportation issue, it makes sense to make that easier (or in this case, retaining what was made easier by the Conservatives last round of gun control). Restoring the police notification requirement for transporting restricted weapons to gun shows or gunsmiths that was eliminated by the Conservatives is really not much of a sacrifice for restricted owners to make to keep the antis content. Registered gun ranges must log in the arrival and departure of restricted weapons. Gun shows and gunsmiths do not have to log them in and it's not logical to impose that requirement on them. Thus it was never logical to include them in the same relaxed ATT regulations as registered ranges (allowing transportation without police notification). The whereabouts of "restricted weapons" are supposed to be accountable at all times. Removing the police notification restrictions while transporting to gunsmiths and gun shows essentially made it legal to carry restricted weapons in vehicles all the time as the owners if stopped by police could easily claim they were on their way to or from a gunsmith or gun show. Bill 71 eliminates that loophole at a minimal inconvenience to restricted gun owners. It's about restoring a former inconvenience that was essentially insignificant before it was eliminated. Much ado about very little.


      Taking the classification of weapons out of the politics arena and giving it to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to deal with carte blanche is the most contentious section of Bill 71. Gun advocates complain, with some justification I think, that deciding which weapons are restricted or prohibited should be open for public debate at a political venue not simply arbitrarily imposed by RCMP leadership ... who are too often answering to will-o-the-wisp party orders. Gun advocates see this as a thinly disguised way of slipping a ban on handguns through the back door without anyone having to absorb the political backlash. And they just might be right. But using back doors is not how democracy is supposed to work. It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that this part of Bill 71 was attached by the Liberal Party to appease the anti-gun crowd. And it also is clear to me the Liberals expect to sacrifice that part of the bill to get it passed. "Oh well, we tried." I don't see the gun crowd backing down an inch on this one, although they seem pliable to the other parts of the bill. I think many fence-sitters would also be apprehensive about giving the RCMP that much unaccountable authority. Throw this section out and it will easily pass. If the Liberals don't throw it out, they could be looking at serious trouble within their own party. They need to take a lesson from what happened within the Conservative and NDP parties when the Conservatives killed the long gun registry. It passed but it split those parties in the process. I don't believe Bill 71 will pass with the RCMP clause and if it goes to the floor for a vote with the clause intact, the Liberal Party, which is already on thin ice, will be done for.
      Last edited by Ontario Honker Hunter; 01-10-2019, 03:55 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Red Angus View Post
        That's ok Bubba, a person only NEEDS a obsolescent, military style bolt action rifle in calibre .30-06.
        ...and a worn out Rem 870!
        A5 Brownings wont be allowed because they are semi auto.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ontario Honker Hunter View Post
          I don't even bother opening those bearingarms.com links. Mostly uninformed inflammatory

          ...blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, ...

          Conservatives killed the long gun registry.
          As usual, just more hot air from the frozen, socialist north lands.

          What happened to not liking political posts?
          Still haven't figured out the scroll button?

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          • #6
            I think too many people have not yet figured out the fact that there is nothing that we do that is not covered by politics. When the subject of gun control is brought up, just what do you people think is the governing factor that we all live by in our concerns with guns, either purchased, used, sold or transported ?? Many users do not like political content, and that is more than idiotic when one considers it’s power over us !

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post

              ...and a worn out Rem 870!
              A5 Brownings wont be allowed because they are semi auto.
              More fake news from the hillbilly far right. There is nothing in Bill 71 about semi-auto shotguns.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ontario Honker Hunter View Post

                More fake news from the hillbilly far right. There is nothing in Bill 71 about semi-auto shotguns.
                YET!
                Keep your head up your toukis! They (liberals!) ain't through ... YET!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post

                  YET!
                  Keep your head up your toukis! They (liberals!) ain't through ... YET!
                  Where's your aluminum foil hat? Better wear it because the Martians might invade at any time. It could happen. And put on a life jacket too. Never know when a tsunami will hit Oklahoma!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ontario Honker Hunter View Post

                    Where's your aluminum foil hat? Better wear it because the Martians might invade at any time. It could happen. And put on a life jacket too. Never know when a tsunami will hit Oklahoma!
                    I wear a MAGA cap and have Trump bumper stickers!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post
                      "bearingarms" had this article this morning.
                      Please note down in the article, a bill has been proposed that will limit the way Canadians buy, sell and transport arms along with the type of arms they may own.

                      https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/0...e-handgun-ban/
                      I think if the Europeans has an availability of common firearms they would be shooting at the illegal immigrants to shoo their ass back to the sheet hole they came from.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post

                        ...and a worn out Rem 870!
                        A5 Brownings wont be allowed because they are semi auto.
                        During WWII Europe had Liberators throw away pistols. Maybe we should make several million and drop them over France (second time), Germany and U.K..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jhjimbo View Post

                          During WWII Europe had Liberators throw away pistols. Maybe we should make several million and drop them over France (second time), Germany and U.K..
                          Certainly not a bad idea...

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                          • #14
                            Who cares if they are registered or who knows you have them, or backround checks. I think you should have to pass a competency test and be given a liscense to buy a gun. Once in a lifetime liscense that is. I dont plan on killing people with my guns. However stupid people should not own them. As long as we are free and have god and our guns who gives a sh^t who knows you have them. Dont commit crime and stop the ones who do, and keep us free. We have people running around with flags upside down, burning them on the street, and not one would pass a competency test for guns. I don't care who knows what I got.

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                            • #15
                              Honster, what was the justification for the RCMP confiscating alll the firearms in that town in Alberta a couple of years or so ago? There was a flood or something and the RCMP went nuts????

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