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    Some spirited discussion has been started. Bubba and BH, I can see your argument, I will agree to disagree. I believe you fellas are misinformed. Here in the midwest union labor will work circles around non union labor, both in knowledge and work ethic. I would never give anyone a negative mark for an opinion that opposes mine, but I will try with all I have to help someone understand the reason I feel a certain way. So, with that said, hopefully this picture loads.
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  • #2
    I am pro Union.

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    • #3
      Have worked in three union shops.
      I'm pro "do your job well and have somebody look out for you".
      IMHO a union may or may not feel the same way.
      Think some strings to the auto bailout, the scum they've hired since.....it's like the program is designed for failure. It is a business, not a social experiment.
      Have no sympathy for Detroit (city) or those that champion such nonsense.

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      • #4
        UAW said vote Hillary. Said vote Obama twice.
        Even told the sheep that he saved their jobs (Bush signed the initial bailout stuff).

        It's socialism/ redneck elitism. Class warfare. Has been for a long time.
        Even within, trades vs hourly...........hourly legacy vs tier system.

        I have however seen worthless employees all over the place, in non union positions. People suck. Paying dues once a month doesn't change it.

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        • #5
          My dad was union, for 35 yrs. Called them on a problem..............once.
          Current job, they hire these young punks..........union has to be there talking with/to them all the time.
          Put the smartphone down, show up on time, pull your head out of your arse and do the job you are paid to do.
          Millennials seem to not "get it".
          Like their stupid arse is gonna walk into another 20 plus an hr job.
          When they come up to me and ask about buyouts, or just quitting...........I always tell 'em "go for it".......set up a store in CO selling weed, become a fitness instructor, chef or tattoo artist.

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          • #6
            I was a Union Big City Worker for 22Yr, In that time it Protected: The lazy, poor performance,weekends and holiday call-outs.sleeping on the job,drinking on the job workers. Todays Unions ask for more & more. that drives Jobs to over seas.jmo
            I'm Retired for 33yr in Fl. the land of almost NO Unions and every buddy works, with a very GOOD pay check!

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            • #7
              Me?
              Union sold my job down the river...nationwide!
              The company started by buying out the union "chair", next was the General chair until my craft just no longer existed....again....nationwide!
              So don't talk to me about "union protects my job!"!
              Union people aren't god's, they're greedy, money mongering human beings that will slit your throat to save their own useless hides!
              That said, I really couldn't care less about "private sector" unions.
              "Public sector" (SEIU) on the other hand....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CD2 View Post
                My dad was union, for 35 yrs. Called them on a problem..............once.
                Current job, they hire these young punks..........union has to be there talking with/to them all the time.
                Put the smartphone down, show up on time, pull your head out of your arse and do the job you are paid to do.
                Millennials seem to not "get it".
                Like their stupid arse is gonna walk into another 20 plus an hr job.
                When they come up to me and ask about buyouts, or just quitting...........I always tell 'em "go for it".......set up a store in CO selling weed, become a fitness instructor, chef or tattoo artist.
                C'mon now, you forgot skiing instructor...

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                • #9
                  Gawnhuntn,
                  I really urge you to read up on the "Enmons Decision" by SCOTUS.
                  Also read up on how the Enmons Decision affected the murder of Eddie York by Jerry Lowe.
                  I know it isn't SOP, but it DID happen!

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                  • #10
                    I say stay out of our trades. We don't need a general contractors union. Electrical union. Plumbers union etc. if we're going to go through all that than someone ought to decide if I'm allowed to snow plow driveways and tell me what I'm worth also.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pray- hunt-work View Post
                      I say stay out of our trades. We don't need a general contractors union. Electrical union. Plumbers union etc. if we're going to go through all that than someone ought to decide if I'm allowed to snow plow driveways and tell me what I'm worth also.
                      Agreed!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CD2 View Post
                        My dad was union, for 35 yrs. Called them on a problem..............once.
                        Current job, they hire these young punks..........union has to be there talking with/to them all the time.
                        Put the smartphone down, show up on time, pull your head out of your arse and do the job you are paid to do.
                        Millennials seem to not "get it".
                        Like their stupid arse is gonna walk into another 20 plus an hr job.
                        When they come up to me and ask about buyouts, or just quitting...........I always tell 'em "go for it".......set up a store in CO selling weed, become a fitness instructor, chef or tattoo artist.
                        (snicker, snort, chortle!)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tmike51 View Post
                          I am pro Union.
                          How about "public sector" unions? i.e. government employees SEIU

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                          • #14
                            A lot of people in our area were union, and I can tell you a lot of them got screwed by unions.

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                            • #15
                              Worked maintenance in a half union-half non-union plant once. By actual stats, non-union workers performed 75% of the work done, with a smaller workforce. Non-union pay scale was about 75% of union scale in most cases, but could be higher or lower, determined by experience.Company usually paid whatever a new employee was willing to work for. Took six union hands over two hours to swing in the jib of a 55 ton crane once, usually two or three non-union could get the job done in 20-30 minutes. Union hands had the option of refusing any job they didn't want, usually on the grounds it was "unsafe". Now if it is unsafe for union workers, why is it not unsafe for non-union workers? Union hands usually took about a 45 minute to an hour break every morning, eating breakfast that one or two of their work crew had been off the job cooking. Non-union hands did not get a break, and were only allowed in one lunch room, and even discouraged from going into "union" restrooms.
                              And don't even try to tell me that unions work safer. None of the union workers obeyed even the most basic safety rules, like safety harness, safety glasses in work environment, speed limits, or hand safety rules. Accident statistics for the year? Union injuries- Unknown. We knew several happened, but they were never brought up as a "learning experience" in the monthly safety meetings. Non-union injuries- Four. Three first aid only, one recordable by OSHA standards.
                              Oh, and union workers are better, and more trustworthy, etc.? In the time I was there, one was fired for trying to defraud the company over a fake injury, one was fired for theft, and one had some disciplinary days off, but was not fired, for masturbating in a "union" restroom! The union argued that since he was on his "break" time, he could do whatever he wanted!
                              Now, you want to try again and tell me how great unions are?

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