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As our country seems to be on Goose Stepping march to Socialism or Fascism ( It did seem we were headed in a socialist direction

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  • Jeff Bowers
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    Actually, nazi Germany was socialist-turned-fascist. A real scary thing to me sometimes is that a socialist idea, done correctly (which I really haven't seen) can work. But it could only work with good people in charge, and it seems that power always corrupts.

    Socialism starts off with popular election by the people to give those elected "supreme executive power". But like in the banana republics today, as happened in Germany, Italy, etc... is that the first thing these people do is suppress anything that could remove them from office. Thus fascist rule and dictatorship seem the same thing.

    Now... we call our government "democracy". If I recall, that means that "We, the people" elect those to lead us by picking those we hope and pray will make the best decision.

    So what does that mean when the elected don't follow the wishes of the people who voted for them? When they make stupid choices, spend all our childrens' money, screw up our retirement, and generally do whatevr they want to? To me, that's closer to socialism. And socialism is just a step away from fascism.

    I'm scared a bit here. And as a Marine Gunnery Sergeant, I'm as American as you can get!

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  • ken.mcloud
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    Big O-

    FYI, NAZI Germany was a Fascist government, not a socialist one. Its amazing how a little bit more history and a little bit less sensationalizing makes these conversations more worth while.

    I've seen Beck's rantings, and while I haven't seen him lie about anything his conclusions are mostly BS.

    Granted, we are currently doing things in a much more socialist way than we normally do them. (most of those policies started under Bush FYI)

    However, to suggest that anyone's end goal is to end up as fascist Germany or Stalinist Russia is one thing and one thing only:

    FEAR MONGERING!

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  • ken.mcloud
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    Well Said Idahoeditor!!

    Color me shocked that your comment is currently sitting at a "+3". When I suggest that all this gun seizing hype is being drummed up by manufacturers my posts usually sit at something more like a "-5".

    Also, its important to put things into perspective. Obama and company are just another batch of democrats no better no worse. Sure, he has some horrible ideas and some high approval ratings, but so did Reed and Pelosi and Clinton and Carter and so on...

    So many of us seem to think that Obama is this anti-christ figure, embued with superhuman powers and the desire to squash all liberties. Sorry folks, he has niether super human powers nor the desire to open concentration camps as Big O suggested. He's just another democrat guys!

    This dosen't mean he should be opposed, Of course he should! This does means however, that you don't have to stockpile ten thousand rounds of ammo in preparation for your black helicopter fantasies.

    So, I'm saying we should stand somewhere in between Idaho editor and you "Pavlov's dogs" (awesome analogy). We need to be concerned with our politicians might do, but not so much that wal-mart has to ration a type of ammo that not even the most anti-gun politicians have suggested banning.

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  • Beekeeper
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    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
    -- Benjamin Franklin

    "Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread."
    -- Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821

    "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    --Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

    "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."
    -- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777

    The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
    -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

    "Prices are important not because money is considered paramount but because prices are a fast and effective conveyor of information through a vast society in which fragmented knowledge must be coordinated."
    -- Thomas Sowell


    These great men said it far better than I ever could.

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  • Hunter Savage
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    idaho editor


    Catching Wild Pigs

    A chemistry professor in a large college had some exchange students in
    the class. One day while the class was in the lab the professor
    noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back,
    and stretching as if his back hurt.

    The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student
    told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while
    fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow
    his country's government and install a new communist government.

    In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a
    strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'

    The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The
    young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a
    suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs
    find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are
    used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place
    where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they
    begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence.
    They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you
    have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The
    pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to
    eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

    Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and
    around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to
    eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten
    how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their
    captivity.

    The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees
    happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism
    and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as
    supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco
    subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP),
    welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms
    -- just a little at a time.

    One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch!
    Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than
    you can do it yourself.

    Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a
    problem confronting the future of democracy in America; you might want
    to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is
    essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this
    email, but God help you when the gate slams shut!

    Keep your eyes on the newly elected politicians who are about to slam
    the gate on America.

    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big
    enough to take away everything you have" -Thomas Jefferson

    this isn't about hunting its about the second amendment .
    the constitutions of most of our states (and the united states ) assert that all the power is inherent in the people; and they may exercise it by themselves;that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed Thomas Jefferson.

    if you want to foolishly think that at by giving them some you will stave off futher attacks . than your just that, foolish .

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  • Idahoeditor
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    Have you tried to buy .22 ammunition lately?
    Sold out everywhere in my politically incorrect, gun-loving town. When a shipment does come in, Wal-Mart and others limit bulk-buying to keep more customers happy.
    Who benefits? Ammo makers.
    But seriously, folks...the fed is going to seize plinker guns?
    You believe that?
    Been to a gun show this spring? All AR and AK and similar styles are selling at record prices.
    Who benefits? Dealers, importers and manufacturers, who are the leading heavy breathers about gun seizure.
    Checked out full-autos lately? I shot one last week that's been bid up so high it would pay for a decent home.
    The market is so hot that a local gunshop owner whose retirement we mourned last year when he announced it was time to fish more and work less...has come out of retirement. There's just too much money to be made.
    Follow the money, folks.
    All this fear of an Obama gun seizure is a great way to pick your pockets, but the votes aren't there on the Supreme Court (nor in Congress, probably.) to take away guns.
    And if you get upset about limits on armor-piercing teflon-coated-razamatazz rounds, etc...well, I don't count you as a hunter.
    I have a dream that one day hunters will stand up on their hind legs, apart from the manufacturers' lobbyists, major distributors and dingbat congressional insiders who control the NRA, and speak honestly about these matters.
    Right now, the most embarassing thing about being an enthusiastic hunter is the way members of Congress hit the "gun seizures" button and thousands of our fellow hunters freak out like Pavlov's laboratory dogs.
    If hunters spent as much time on habitat improvement as on "principled" legislative battles over the minutia of gun regs...the hunting would be better in all of our home counties and hunters would have a fantastic reputation with the public.
    As it is, we are viewed as more interested in fondling Uzis (which is fun, don't get me wrong) than we are in hunting and eating wild game, which is what makes us...HUNTERS.

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  • Big O
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    Yea, socialism works just ask anybody that lived in Germany during their socialist period. Oh, wait that would be a little hard due to the FACT over 6 million of them were put to death, by them.
    Oh, and yes they did have public schools,postal services,social reform, and the trains ran "on time" too. Straight to the camps.

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  • csiplus1
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    I don't think we be affected unless you let affect you. No matter how many guns are banned or what laws are passed, if you consider yourself a true outdoorsman then you will keep doing what it is that you love and teach the next generation the same. Take a kid fishing or hunting and keep the cycle going. "Without struggle there is no progress."

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  • shane
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    Yeah better look out for that socialism. We might end up with things like social security or public schools or postal services. Scary.

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  • Jeff Bowers
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    The hunting may be affected, but I think fishing is safe. If enough guns are banned, we may be back to hunting with spears.

    But unless someone gets murdered with a fishing rod, thus making democrats scream for fishing rod control laws, fishing is safe.

    Don't the dems CLAIM to love the environment more that the GOP? Does that mean in general, or "untouched", meaning uncluttered by hunters and fishermen?

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  • Hunter Savage
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    you know it BIG O

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  • Big O
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    AMEN cooner, other wise they'll try to take that too.

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  • Hunter Savage
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    all i can think is we better hold on to our a$$ and get ready to fight tooth and nail for our heritage

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