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what was the first centerfire ammo caliber invented? not counting revolver. i'm talking rifles. i have it narrowed down to the .

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  • #16
    First smokeless cartridge was probably the 8mm Lebel in 1886.

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    • #17
      The oldest military cartiidge still in use today is the 7.62X54r developed for the Mosin Nagant rifle. Which is used by the CCCP/Russia Federation/ Finns in the 91/30. 91 is 1891 first MN, the 30 is 1930 when they changed the rifle not the cartridge. So used in MN 91/30, M44, T-53, SVT-38, SVT-40, Dragonuv sniper rifle today, and a light machine gun. you can buy 880 surplus rounds for less than 250.00 in today's market

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Jim in Mo View Post
        Reid, you didn't identify black powder or smokeless. 30-30 is first for smokeless. For black powder, that may be a bigger argument than 'what is the best caliber for deer'.
        I don't see an answer here and 1857 for Rimfire is really not correct.
        Priming compound in a thin case was patented in 1831 with thoughts for use in a airgun but this evolved into 22 cb cap by Flobert in 1845 which turned into 22 Short by Smith & Wesson in 1857.

        Now the question still remains unanswered so.
        The centerfire (in a form we would recognize) was actually created in 1861 by a guy named Clement Pottet in Paris.

        I can't answer who was the first manufacture in the US to make a firearm using one. Someone in the early 1870's. I suspect someone may made pinfires in the US which predated ALL of this back in the 1830's by another French guy which is basically a cap built on rod into a cartridge.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jim in Mo View Post
          Reid, you didn't identify black powder or smokeless. 30-30 is first for smokeless. For black powder, that may be a bigger argument than 'what is the best caliber for deer'.
          opps guess I posted wrong oh well....

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jim in Mo View Post
            Reid, you didn't identify black powder or smokeless. 30-30 is first for smokeless. For black powder, that may be a bigger argument than 'what is the best caliber for deer'.
            opps guess I posted wrong oh well....

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