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Which scope do you like better, the Leupold VX-2 3-9x40 with a Duplex reticle, or a Vortex Viper 3-9x40 with a Dead-Hold BDC ret

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  • WA Mtnhunter
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    DakotaMan,
    Most of the 7mm mags have a pretty sharp recoil unless you keep the bullet weight to 150 grains or less and the rifle weight above 9 pounds. Most of the WSMs that I am familiar with come in lighter rifles. I might even build something on a Mark V action if the price is right. My 7mm Weatherby is not bad with 150 gr bullets in a 9 1/4 pound rifle.

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  • DakotaMan
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    WAM, I'm also getting the itch to do a project rifle. The .280 Imp is a great one. It is pretty similar to the 7mm Mag in performance with less powder. I'd like to experiment with the 7mm WSM though too because of its great long range accuracy potential. My only reservation is that particular caliber at that speed seems to have a bone jarring, exceptionally fast recoil that I don't like. A muzzle brake or heavy rifle would be a must for me in that cartridge.

    I've been thinking of a very accurate 6mm or perhaps a screaming .22 caliber like the .22-6mm or perhaps a .22 PPC. I'm really attracted to the idea of a rifle that doesn't move upon ignition and that can hit a housefly right between the shoulder blades at 100 yards.

    I shot a 25-06 Imp for several years and really liked it. I might even do another one of those. It has speed comparable to the .257 Wby with better accuracy and way lower operating cost. That was probably my favorite rifle of all time. Very fast and very accurate... what more could one want?

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  • WA Mtnhunter
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    DakotaMan,
    I have one VX-III and 4 of the VX-II/2s and there is not much discernable difference in real world performance. Top end Bushnells are good enough, but I have found that for a nickel more, you can get a better scope since the Elite series are pretty spendy. I have focused on upgrading glass on my existing rifles rather than buying more rifles. About the only thing I may be interested in is a project rifle in .280 Ackley Improved. Don't ask why, cause I don't know!

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  • DakotaMan
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    WAM, I really like my VX2 as it is a solid and accurate scope. I'm not knocking it. I also shoot VX IIIs and VX3s in comparable magnifications. With the higher quality versions I notice better clarity and better light gathering. These are not critical to success in most deer hunting situations though.

    Although Bushnell is famous for making millions of super cheap scopes, I acquired their Elite 4200 6-24x50 Tactical as a result of outstanding reviews. I use it to shoot prairie dogs out to 700 yards and it has been great. It has made many a shooter feel sick about their rifle/optics at the range. I like to form my own opinions about products based on results rather than choosing them based on country of manufacture. I used it to shoot an antelope in the heart at 500 yards a few years ago and had very high confidence in the shot.

    I ALWAYS feel safe buying a VX2 and above from Leupold because of track record of demonstrated outstanding results. However, I also realize that specific models from other manufacturers may be equivalent or better or perhaps less expensive for the same level of result. I don't mind giving them a try as long as the manufacturer stands behind their product. I also don't mind selling them if I am not completely happy with them.

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  • WA Mtnhunter
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    DM,
    You might be surprised at how close the VX-II or VX-2 is to the VX-3 in real terms. Try finding a rangefinder not made in China. Leica is the only one I am aware of. Weatherby is not having its run of success based on the Vanguards on my account. The Philippine-made Burris and Nikon scopes are fine, but I don't own any of them.

    MAT,
    Bushnell? OMG!

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  • DakotaMan
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    WAM, I like my VX2 also and it sure does its job, and is rugged, but can tell you it is no VX3. The Philippines are doing an outstanding job of making high quality firearms and optics according to exacting U.S. designs and manufacturing standards. I don't hesitate to buy such well made products from well run U.S. companies (Vortex is in Wisconsin).

    You have every right to your opinion and I respect that, however if we were all as concerned as you with foreign manufacture, the computers we are using to browse this site would be costing us a few thousand dollars each (I paid $300 for mine a few months ago) and Weatherby wouldn't be experiencing the success they are having with the Vanguard just to name a few.

    That means a lot of us would have no such products to enjoy (because we couldn't afford them).

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  • Clay Cooper
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    Leupold Alaska tested !

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  • M.A.T
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    WAM,
    Vortex Optics has beem open since 2002 and is becoming very popular because of the very high quality glass. And it's a American based company that produces their products in the Phillipines like Nikon, Bushnell and many other optics companies. And considering that they've only been open for 11 yrs they may pass up Leupold as far as popularity.

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  • 99explorer
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    I've had only one experience with Customer Service at Leupold.
    I sent a VX-II back to the factory because the power selector ring had become very stiff and hard to turn.
    When I got it back, the power selector ring was somewhat easier to turn but not nearly as easy as when it was new. The work order form that accompanied the scope showed that the selector ring had been "reworked," whatever that means.
    I was less than satisfied with the result, and I later sold the rifle with the scope.

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  • WA Mtnhunter
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    I've had pretty good luck with VX-2s. I have 4 of them at present, but there are better scopes out there. No experience with Vortex or other stuff made in China. Don't know where Vortex is made.

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  • M.A.T
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    Pray-Hunt-Work,
    I'm not trying to gripe, but the reason I compared a Savage to Weatherby was because I was wondering if you don't gain anyting as far as accuracy(In fact, you might lose accuracy) then is it really worth it to pay at least $1000 more for craftsmanship?

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  • ALJoe
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    I run Leupolds on all of my rifles (except one). I have two vx-II 3x9x50's. Probably not hardly as good as my Vx-III, but they will do anything I need them to do. I have one VX-II that was bought, mounted, and zeroed in 18 years ago. i haven't touched it since. It sees the woods more than any other gun and scope combo that I have ( it's on a model 70 .270). From everything I hear and read a Vortex is a great scope. I just can't go against what has always worked for me.

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  • Pray- hunt-work
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    I fully agree about the size of the crosshairs Dakota, but have limited to no expirence with those distance shots. My VX-II 3-9 cranked way up gives a similar issue at 300 yards, but I'm sure what you're dealing with is way worse given the larger scale. Good luck in your testing, worst case, you still have fun and that's hard to beat. I drove past a field of ours the other day to see 400-500 varments in it. With the truck on I could hear them at 500-600 yards away as if they were in my pocket. That said, I believe I'll be building a varminter this winter!

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  • DakotaMan
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    P-H-W... funny, I guess I was typing at exactly the same time you were. I've returned from the elk hunt and am anxious to get some more long range accuracy testing with the new Vortex Viper PST. I shot about 100 rounds certifying it out to 1000 yards. I did experience some serious clarity issues when shooting toward the bright morning sun with no sun shield. I observed pretty intense light reflection and it gave me issues visualizing the target at 1000 yards. I'm not sure I wouldn't have had the same issue with any other scope though. That is why they supply sun shields for those high magnification scopes. I later added the sun shield and that resolved the problem. I left the sun shield on for hunting but could have survived without it for hunting conditions. I wouldn't have had trouble seeing an elk at 1000 yards.

    When I test scopes, I like to run them through the paces of all likely field conditions and pay special attention to accuracy and highly positive tracking on the reticle. I'm still getting accustomed to the real FAT reticle in this first focal plane scope when on 24x. I'm accustomed to centering my cross hair on a three inch white circle on black background at 1000 yards and this reticle covers that. I may have to shoot these targets on a lower magnification to get a smaller reticle image.

    I have decided I really don't need to range on all magnifications so I am beginning to question my choice of a first focal plane scope for my intended use. The fine cross hair is more important to me. I'm anxious to get back to more testing with this scope once I get caught up on my to-do list.

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  • Pray- hunt-work
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    Weatherby vs. Savage was close to comparing a Tasco World Class Plus to a Swarovski...

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