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Sen. Kerry signed the UN Arms Treaty today. It's another sad day for America, when federal officials deny the wishes of American

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  • Sen. Kerry signed the UN Arms Treaty today. It's another sad day for America, when federal officials deny the wishes of American

    Sen. Kerry signed the UN Arms Treaty today. It's another sad day for America, when federal officials deny the wishes of Americans and the principles of the Constitution. UN officials are already downplaying that the Senate must ratify the treaty, saying the US has signed and will abide by the general intent of the treaty.

  • #2
    Wolf in sheep's clothing. They are all cut from the same mold.
    He is no better than Her Highness Hillary

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    • #3
      Kin UN "officials" override the Constitutional rights of Amerikans in their own country?

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      • #4
        Unfortunately, it is true that the Senate does not have to ratify the treaty.
        It is now widely accepted that a "congressional-executive agreement" is a complete alternative to a treaty. The president can seek approval of any international agreement by a joint resolution of both Houses of Congress instead of by a two-thirds vote of the Senate alone.
        Like a treaty, such an agreement is the law of the land, superseding state laws.
        No doubt the president knows this, and considers it to be a clever trick up his sleeve.
        Too clever by half, because even if the Democrats regain control of the House in next year's election, Obama would have to convince the Democrat Representatives from the gun-friendly states to sacrifice their seats in the service of an illusion.

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        • #5
          No international treaty overrides the Constitution and the Bill of Rights contained therein. This has been established by several SCOTUS decisions.
          No matter how slick obummer thinks he is, an international treaty must still be approved by a two-thirds majority of the senate.
          99, not to be argumentative, but your information is slightly out of whack. Would you please cite your sources for this?

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          • #6
            The U.S. presently has about 900 treaties in effect, and over 5,000 congressional-executive agreements, including the one creating the International Monetary Fund, and more recently, NAFTA.
            There is no support in the architecture of the Constitution for CEA's, yet their usage has flourished.
            Despite questions about the constitutionality of executive agreements, the Supreme Court (U.S.v Belmont, 1937) ruled that they have the same force as treaties.
            But because they are made on the authority of the incumbent president, they do not necessarily bind his successors.
            The Supreme Court has said that the decision as to whether to classify an international agreement as a treaty or a congressional-executive agreement is a political question for the president and Congress to decide alone.
            The good news is that no treaty or CEA with an international organization can enlarge upon the powers of the executive or legislative branch under the Constitution.

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            • #7
              99,
              What do you mean by your last sentence?

              A Presidential 'treaty' then is like a long term lease with a 30 day cancellation clause??

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              • #8

                1. In simple terms, under U.S. law, a treaty can not bestow additional powers on our government that it does not already have under the Constitution.
                For example, if a treaty calls upon the signatory nations to confiscate all privately-owned firearms, our government does not have the authority under our Constitution to comply, and the execution of the treaty cannot create such authority.
                2. A traditional formal treaty remains in effect until it is terminated or modified officially, whereas a Congressional-executive agreement may be nullified by either party by simple non-compliance without any official action or notification. It may be ignored. Russia seems to do this all the time, even with traditional formal treaties.

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