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  • I linked this in another post from jhjimbo about Edward Snowden, but I feel everyone should read it. Yes it is political.

    I linked this in another post from jhjimbo about Edward Snowden, but I feel everyone should read it. Yes it is political.

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    The Collectivist Mind Game
    By Oleg Atbashian


    Part 1
    In the libertarian sci-fi classic, "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress," Robert A. Heinlein describes a successful revolution of the individualistic, free-market-oriented residents of the Moon against the Earth's tyrannical big government. The ins and outs of agitating and organizing the masses to fight the oppressive Authority feel just as realistic as the finer points of everyday life in the underground Lunar cities of the future.

    The proposed revolutionary scenario could even serve as a workable model for similar real-life endeavors, if only the renowned futurist author hadn't neglected to factor in the immanent function of any oppressive regime: systemic brainwashing of its subjects through the media, education, and entertainment channels.

    If the tyrants on Earth were worth their salt, all the freedom-loving colonists would be subjected to an intense, manipulative indoctrination, which would shape their self-image as small and sinful "little guys" vis-à-vis the powerful, virtuous government that serves the powerless and protects them against all enemies, including themselves.

    Thus, the government's propagandistic narrative would establish the illusion of a society divided into three major classes: the ruling government class, endowed with benevolent powers to guide or punish; the majority class of hapless losers, whose survival depended on the government's largesse and protection; and an unquantifiable class of demonized mysterious enemies of the government and, by extension, of the people, who would be the perceived culprits of all failures, hardships, and misery of the little guys' everyday existence.

    The majority class would itself be divided into an assortment of narrow-interest groups, held together only by the glue of government's redistributive, pacifying and equalizing powers, as well as by their shared hostility towards the designated "enemies."

    The prevailing feelings in such a society would be the collectivist fervor, envy of individual achievers, fear of chaos in the absence of the government's protection, hatred of anti-government elements, and hope for a better future once all the hidden enemies are unveiled and eliminated.

    This makes Heinlein's scenario of a free-market revolution highly unlikely. No self-respecting oppressive regime would start a crackdown on the rebels without priming the population with a mass-media campaign that would show how big government benefits most of the people, and how the resistance is destroying the lives of the common folk. As a minimum, the government would parade a poor little girl crying on camera because she and her family suffered from the hands of the rebels. Even those who didn't hate the rebels before would hate them now.

    In a society shaped by the government's mind games of manipulative illusions, a dissenter sticks out like a sore thumb. Once the resistance has been demonized, its members will be quickly identified and denounced by the compliant citizenry, labeled as the enemy, and be dealt with by law enforcement.

    In the end, the self-preservation of modern-day totalitarianism is ensured, not so much by the secret police with its army of snitches and brutal enforcers, as by modern technologies of psychological manipulation through the media, education, and entertainment.

    Perhaps, Heinlein's tyrannical regime came off so hapless because the author had had no experience of living in a totalitarian statist system. Writing The Moon in the early 1960s, he likely modeled the actions of the Lunar Authority on the methods used by the U.S. government against the Communists. And, as we now know, the U.S. government failed that mission, just like the Lunar Authority did in Heinlein's novel.

    The FBI mostly relied on surveillance, infiltration, and recruiting of informants. Occasional amateur propaganda designed to immunize Americans against the seductive statist rhetoric turned out to be a flash in the pan. It was child's play compared to the vast arsenal deployed by the KGB and its affiliates in Communist countries.

    The United States at the time didn't have an all-encompassing, totalitarian propaganda machine like its enemies did. State-enforced mind control, by definition, is incompatible with the principles of living in a free world. Statists, on the other hand, have no such limitations; playing mind games for them is a way of life. This makes it asymmetrical warfare.

    Statists, of course, would like to have everything shared -- except their power. In free democracies they always demand their share of political power -- and always get what they want. However, once they are in power, they keep it to themselves and demonize the opposition.

    The Marxist ideal of Communism is an altruistic collectivist society of the future, in which there will be no need for government, family, or private property. Freed from capitalist exploitation, people are expected to unleash their full potential and create unprecedented material abundance. The selfish notion of the pursuit of individual happiness will wither away. There will be no money, no greed, no deprivation, and, therefore, no crime.

    However, since a society can't directly leap from capitalism into communism, Marx reasoned that a dictatorial socialist state would be a necessary transition in order to develop the required material base, help to spread the revolution around the world, and to condition the people's minds by uprooting greed and selfishness (or to eliminate those individuals who can't be conditioned).

    Leaving the debunking of utopian follies for another time, let's just say that the totalitarian socialist state is where they always get bogged down. Despite their ideal of a stateless future, the leftists invariably become ruthless and uncompromising statists. It no longer matters whether it's a doctrinaire Marxist socialism or "corporate" fascism; if the end result is evil, original intentions don't count.

    In Russia, the communists used to demonize their opponents long before the Revolution, which made it easier for them to physically eliminate the opposition later. As soon as they were in full control of the government, they began to demonize entire segments of the society, subcultures, and classes of people whom they deemed incapable of change.

    Observe a visual example of communist demonization: an agitprop poster titled "Enemies of the 5-Year Plan," more broadly interpreted as "enemies of socialism" and, by extension, "enemies of the people."



    A disparaging verse at the bottom describes who the enemies are:

    The wealthy landowner
    The kulak (a pejorative term for a wealthy farmer who "exploits" hired labor)
    The drunk
    The clergy (a Russian Orthodox Priest)
    The bourgeois press (a non-compliant, independent journalist)
    The capitalist (a banker, industrialist, merchant)
    The Menshevik (a political opponent from a different communist faction)
    The surviving remnants of the pre-revolutionary law enforcement and the military

    The wealthy farmers, being the most numerous group and the most likely to resist the collectivization of agriculture, were subjected to the most vicious dehumanization reminiscent of the anti-Semitic propaganda in Nazi Germany.

    Note this Lenin quote on another dehumanizing poster: "The kulaks are the most bestial, brutal and savage exploiters, who in the history of other countries have time and again restored the power of the landlords, tsars, priests and capitalists." (Full quote in Russian)

    The demonization of the kulaks laid the groundwork for their subsequent annihilation. Facing a peasant rebellion, Lenin sent the following telegram to his henchmen: "Hang publicly (in full view of the people) no fewer than one hundred known kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers. Make their names public. Take away all their grain. Make a list of the next group of hostages. Do it in such a fashion that for hundreds of miles around the people might see, tremble, realize, and scream: 'they are strangling, and will strangle to death, the bloodsucking kulaks'."

    Other non-compliant citizens were dealt with in a similar fashion. "Statements from the few survivors, published in émigré newspapers the following year, describe Sevastopol, one of the towns that suffered most heavily under the repressions, as 'the city of the hanged.' 'From Nakhimovsky, all one could see was the hanging bodies of officers, soldiers, and civilians arrested in the streets. The town was dead, and the only people left alive were hiding in lofts or basements. All the walls, shop fronts, and telegraph poles were covered with posters calling for 'Death to the traitors.' They were hanging people for fun." -- The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression by Stephane Courtois et al, pg 107

    These were not aberrations, but logical consequences of the Marxist theory. According to Karl Marx, "there is only one way to shorten and ease the convulsions of the old society and the bloody birth pangs of the new -- revolutionary terror."

    Part 2

    Most modern-day leftists in Western countries have abandoned the idea of a violent revolution, having replaced it with "the long march through the institutions" as part of the culture war to transform the society through cultural hegemony. Instead of commanding firing squads, they play mind games of manipulative illusions, in which the demonization of dissent plays a crucial role. The basic premise hasn't changed: as much as the statists want you to love them, they want you to hate their opponents even more.

    Until a time when political opposition can be eliminated completely, having opponents can still be useful: you can steal their ideas, take advantage of their desire to help the economy, and blame them for any of your own failures. In the meantime, certain rules must be followed to control the public opinion and, through it, the opposition itself.

    Maintain the perception of being constantly under attack. Don't examine the opponents' beliefs, nor answer their arguments. Discredit any media channels that offer them a platform. Enforce the following media template: the opposition is evil, treasonous, unfathomable, and psychotic. They can't be reasoned with. They are inspired by fascism and financed by a conspiracy of shady oligarchs. Defame their donors. Whatever the mischief you're planning to pull off, accuse them of doing it first; then proceed as planned, describing your actions as a necessary intervention. And ridicule, ridicule, ridicule!

    This is what made it easy for Stalin to purge his opponents: by the time he charged them with treason, the orchestrated media coverage had already made them universally hated. Having purged all of his enemies, Stalin continued to manufacture the evidence of their presence. There came a time when even the true believers were being rounded up and forced to confess publicly about one or another fabricated "crime" against the people and the Party. Some did it to avoid torture, some to save their families, and some even cooperated out of the altruistic desire to support the illusion and keep everyone else's beautiful dream alive. Unfortunately for them, that beautiful dream required human sacrifice.

    At the same time, Stalin used the only remaining high-ranking Jew in his government, Lazar Kaganovich, as a perpetual scapegoat. Himself a ruthless henchman who organized a number of purges, Kaganovich ended up serving in the capacity of an unpunishable bumbling idiot, a "token Jew," and a darkly comic relief. Implicitly blamed for one government blunder after another, this Joe Biden of Stalin's regime was moved from ministry to ministry only to be blamed again and reassigned to yet another top-level position. As expected, the people's reaction was a universal loathing and bewilderment: how can Comrade Stalin be so soft and trusting of this evil Jew? Kaganovich outlived them all; he died in 1991, among friends and family, at the age of 97.

    Across the ocean, years later, the same rules still apply. The perception of a relentless struggle with the opposition must be permanent and persuasive. Even in the times of calm and prosperity the people must think that the opposition is holding them hostage and only the firm, wise guidance of the People's Leader is saving them from imminent ruin. When the opponents are too few, too weak, and too disoriented to put up a real fight, their power and influence must be exaggerated.

    Ever since "crybaby" John Boehner became the GOP House Speaker, the media grotesquely overstated the effectiveness of his fruitless, anemic leadership. Among other things, this patent exaggeration allowed Obama to maintain his saintly image while shifting the responsibility for the staggering economy onto "Republican obstructionism."

    The following quotes by "citizen journalists" exemplify the public outrage created by the media template of demonizing the opposition. Unlike the honed professionals who can mask their agenda with superficial objectivity, these amateurs let their emotions run wild without realizing that they are being played. Like children, they connect the preprinted dots and eagerly tell us what they see:

    Opposition is anti-American: The Republican leaders have remained consistent with their agenda of obstructing the President clearly putting their party ahead of the American people.

    Opposition is racist: How far do you think Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner and his cohorts in the House will go in their campaign to defeat America's first black President?

    Opposition is grotesquely absurd: The clowns - Boehner and McConnell - ignored the needs of the nation to do what they thought was best for themselves . . . to solidify their positions of power and secure their own political futures by tearing down President Obama and America in the process.

    Opposition is deceitful: In their effort to make President Obama look weak, Republicans played a dangerous game with the debt ceiling and in the process threw away America's triple-A credit rating... Those Republican obstructionists really know how to twist the facts to support the anti-Obama political campaign.

    Opposition is undemocratic: They have essentially fought to block anything and everything the Democrats have proposed and offered nothing in the way of alternatives. So egregious is their barricade of democracy that they have no defense against charges of deliberate sabotage at the expense of American citizens.

    Opposition is mind-boggling: Missing from President Obama's acceptance speech in Charlotte last Thursday is one potent argument: An attack on obstructionist Republicans in Congress. ... It's a mystery because a major reason the economy has not done better under Mr. Obama is that Republicans have blocked virtually every initiative he has proposed, even when the president, especially in the early months of his administration, tailored many of his proposals to attract Republican support.

    Opposition is guilty of treason: If an enemy declared war on the American economy, the United States would spare no effort to remove that threat to its prosperity and national security. So it was with Osama Bin Laden... But when the Republican Party threatens ... to sabotage the U.S. economy if its debt ceiling demands are not met, the media instead calls that treason a "debate." ... And that's not politics as usual. That's treason.

    Just like painting by numbers doesn't make one an artist, actors or singers who are good at articulating prepared lines don't automatically become articulate thinkers. Being in the business of selling emotions rather than rational arguments, they connect the same old media dots as any other amateur -- but do it with extra flair and aplomb. Extrapolating the lines allows them to see horns on the head of the opposition. Voilà! They can't shut up about such an amazing insight.

    Harry Belafonte even went as far as suggest that Obama should "work like a third world dictator and just put all these guys in jail" -- because, obviously, since the Republicans "are violating the American desire," the "only thing left for Barack Obama to do" is to pull a Stalin: praise Barack and jail the opposition.

    Even if he said this in jest, Belafonte's call for political repressions is a logical extension of the ideas shared by many celebrities who have been swayed by and are now promoting the leftist cultural hegemony. That includes Woody Allen, who said this in an interview to a Spanish-language magazine: "It would be good... if [President Obama] could be dictator for a few years because he could do a lot of good things quickly."

    This begs a question: if Obama is not a socialist, why do his supporters interpret his reelection as "the American desire" to establish a totalitarian dictatorship -- and think this would be a good thing? So much for "socialism with a human face."

    No wonder the "hegemonized" Hollywood filmmakers (starting with Charlie Chaplin in The Great Dictator), can never truthfully depict either the Soviet or Nazi totalitarian regimes. Unable to fathom the motives of their fictional villains, they wind up supplanting the collectivist realities of socialism (be it national socialism or international socialism) with grotesque caricatures of improbable monsters, uncultured brutes, neurotic sociopaths, or sadistic, sexually repressed perverts. It never occurs to them that unspeakable crimes could be committed in the name of "the common good" by very ordinary, altruistic people -- out of an all too familiar desire to "do a lot of good things quickly" through dictatorial powers. Such a notion would be too terrifying, of course, because they might just recognize their own reflection in the mirror.

    Though many of them may have seen this quote by C.S. Lewis, it is doubtful that their conditioned minds are capable of grasping its meaning: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive... [T]hose who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

    Their young audiences, deprived of adequate education and learning about history and current events from Hollywood movies and TV shows, will not recognize the symptoms of an encroaching totalitarianism either. Upon hearing a dissenter who disparages the benevolent guidance of the state, they will immediately recognize a stereotype that is being relentlessly demonized and dehumanized on their screens: the ignorant, close-minded, right-wing nut job. Chances are they will smugly ridicule him with the jokes they heard from their favorite media personalities. In another generation, they may as well feel morally obligated to report the dissenter to the authorities -- and be thrilled at the chance to partake in the historic mission of crushing the remnants of the evil reactionaries, even if they happen to be their parents.

    Today's American intellectuals are retracing the steps of their Soviet predecessors in the early days of the socialist dictatorship. Having had hopes to see the workers' paradise in their lifetime, many came to regret their misguided enthusiasm, as they themselves fell victim to the popular illusions they helped to induce, when a mere slip of a tongue, a drunken remark, or an accusation by someone in the new generation of socialist intellectuals who wanted to take their job, wife, or apartment, led them to be lumped with any of the large assortment of the thoroughly demonized and dehumanized "enemies of the people."

    There is only one way to redistribute wealth: human sacrifice, with optional variations of manipulative mind games to ease the pain and maintain control over the population. All those who claimed they can do it differently were doomed, sooner or later, to retrace the same path.

    Part 3

    If Robert Heinlein were to write The Moon today (see Part 1), there's no doubt his notion of the future oppressive global government on Earth would be very different. With such forces at play, the free-market revolution in Lunar colonies would likewise be fought by different means, struggling to overcome the tidal wave of government indoctrination and demonization, in addition to an army of statist looters hiding behind the army of statist moochers, who will be hiding behind an army of statist Blue Helmets of the statist United Nations.

    That would be an asymmetrical warfare if ever there was one. The individualist free-market rebels wouldn't be able to respond in kind by playing the collectivist mind games with the statists because it would turn them into their own enemies. Their only hope would be to learn to recognize the game when it is being played, not to fall for any of its seductive illusions, methodically expose the players at every turn, call every little manipulative trick in their arsenal for what it is, and help to immunize the rest against its corruptive influence.

    The tidal wave of propaganda notwithstanding, the rebels would still have the most important ally on their side -- human nature. No matter into what society they are born and what mind conditioning they receive, people will never stop being competitive individuals. They will always long for individual freedom, rationality, objectivity, personal achievement, and the pursuit of a better life for themselves and their families.

    Without these traits humanity would never have risen from the ignorant tribal collectivism of hunters and gatherers, with its brutal mores, dark superstitions, and average life expectancy of 30 years, when few lived long enough to develop complete self-awareness, formulate a coherent individual thought, and pass it onto others. There would be no division of labor, no markets, and no capitalist wealth to sustain the advances in science, arts, and technology -- let alone to feed the multitudes of Marxist intellectuals and statist plutocrats. There would be nothing to lose and nothing to fight for.

    Admittedly, the Marxist notion of human progress is a spiral that would return humanity to that stateless, moneyless, classless, and selfless collectivism -- except on a higher level. For that purpose they must, so to speak, put the genie of individualism back into the bottle, and the only way they can do it is by demonizing human nature itself.

    However, the 74 years of the morbid Soviet experiment failed to breed the New Collectivist Man. The communist "engineers of human souls" isolated millions of people from the rest of humanity by sealing off the nation's borders and creating a pressurized Marxist bubble. They rearranged the society, rewrote history, and reorganized the culture. They subjected several generations of children to intense mind programming. They blocked all undesirable news sources, books, films, and music. They rewarded "correct" thoughts and impulses, and punished the "incorrect" ones. They demonized greed, selfishness, individualism, and self-interest. They taught altruism, collectivism, and self-sacrifice. They ran relentless campaigns that dehumanized non-compliant individuals.

    Ultimately, not a single trait of human nature had changed. In the months before the collapse, the indisputable failure of collective farming forced the Soviet communists to resurrect the idea of individual farms -- and, in order to survive, Chinese communists reverted to private entrepreneurship, while maintaining the pretense of Marxist orthodoxy.

    This alone should be enough to discredit the fundamental Marxist doctrine that the human mind is a "social construct" shaped entirely by manipulation and social conditioning. As an unintended consequence, the Soviet experiment proved the existence of something that Marxist science has always denied: that our individual thoughts, motives, and actions are governed, on the most part, by absolute moral standards, which are objectively derived from the unchangeable nature of human beings and the nature of the world.

    Obviously, it is more beneficial to accept human nature in its entirety as an absolute standard and to build the society on that foundation, rather than to erect an artificial construct first and rearrange the foundation later, trying to discard parts that don't fit into the design.

    And yet that failed philosophy is now flourishing in America's academia and leftist think tanks, which currently formulate U.S. government policies.

    From the economy to crime prevention to education to foreign relations, America's policies today are based on the Marxist premise that crime results from poverty, economic crisis results from greed, injustice results from capitalist exploitation, corruption results from the free markets, and militant Islamism results from Western colonialism. Therefore, peace and harmony can only be achieved through equal redistribution of wealth, appeasement, and a global effort to reshape human nature through politically correct, collectivist indoctrination.

    Predictably, a faulty premise leads to a faulty outcome: the economy is stumbling, education is failing, corruption is spreading, crime is rising, and militant Islamism is gaining more ground. Instead of creating the New Man, the suppression and demonization of natural human traits breeds moral and intellectual freaks. Where normalcy is outlawed, abnormalities flourish.

    The most damaging outcome of this fallacy, however, is also the least visible -- and thus rarely mentioned: the government effort to demonize our individual thoughts, impulses, and human nature itself can only result in the eventual dehumanization of our society, turning independent American citizens into mindless statistical units, spiritless cogs in the machine, and powerless subjects of the state, ripe for abuse by any sociopathic government official with dictatorial tendencies.

    The Game can only exist in symbiosis with big government. They equally need each other for survival, nourishment, and expansion. Downsizing the government would not only deprive the Game of its nourishment, but would remove the very reason for its existence. Of course, the Game's state sponsor can also be a foreign government -- as it was with the network of KGB influence agents -- but that is a matter for another discussion.

    A free-market revolution's primary function, therefore, would be to discard any policies or government structures that are based on the collectivist philosophy of demonization and dehumanization of the individual, starting with the Department of Education.

    Human nature has taken us this far; there is every reason to believe it will continue to help us in the future.

    * * *

    In the meantime, a domestic influence operation known as OFA (Obama for America), is reorganizing, renaming itself Organizing for Action, and assuming a tax-exempt legal structure. It would be a mistake to think that since Obama is no longer running for office, his campaign outfit has outlived its purpose. Without its thundering acoustics, Obama would be as helpless as a lip-synching artist whose soundtrack went silent in the middle of an act. The introduction and perpetuation of a collectivist, statist frame of reference among American voters was not only a prerequisite for Obama's victory; it remains a vital ingredient of his governing style as the nation's most powerful community organizer.

    As such, even though OFA is not directly bankrolled by the U.S. Treasury, it has become an indispensable part of today's big-government operation -- the American version of the Department of Agitation and Propaganda, if you will -- and, as every bureaucracy, it has no intention of downsizing. Having taken the Game to an unprecedented level and reaching its peak performance during the "fiscal cliff's" hate week -- rivaling in effectiveness the erstwhile Propaganda Department of the Soviet Communist Party Central Committee -- OFA is planning to solidify its structure and influence with a so-called Obama Campaign Legacy Conference.

    Regrettably, the legacy of Obama campaign is not that of achievements in bettering the country, but rather that of perfecting shameless crowd manipulation aimed at grabbing more power and transforming America into something it was never meant to be.

    In an email to supporters, Obama campaign manager Jim Messina writes, "Issues like immigration, climate change, and gun violence will be debated over these next four years, and President Obama is ready to take them on -- but he needs us by his side. Our goal is to help him get things done, but also to help change how things get done in Washington in the first place."

    Thus, in addition to being a tradition in presidential elections, emotional manipulation is now also being geared to become an official replacement for a traditional legislative process. Marx would have described this as a great qualitative leap forward.

    Messina further describes OFA as "an advantage that no previous president has enjoyed and one that has the potential to reshape our politics for years to come."

    Judging by past performance, the vague "reshaping of our politics" here translates into a very concrete subjugation of the legislative and judicial branches to the executive dictate and the elimination of the constitutional principle of checks and balances.

    If this plan works, Obama and his Czars will be simply telling Congress and the courts what to do, as his Department of Agitation and Propaganda will discredit and demonize all non-compliant legislators and judges with coordinated "hate weeks" in the media and staged street protests, all the while feeding illusions of a major historic battle between good and evil to the misinformed public, who will eagerly play the part of a crowd with pitchforks and torches, especially if motivated with promises of more government handouts.

    Any surviving opposition will thus be pressured and intimidated into submission, one by one, until the last resisting judge, congressman, or any other troublemaker is either removed from office or gives up the fight and succumbs to the Orwellian alternative reality, letting Obama fundamentally transform America as advertised. Thereafter, we may as well live in a Lunar colony -- so small will be our chance to uproot the new ruling Party who will be setting the terms, framing the debate, writing the narrative, and otherwise stage-managing the bamboozled, easily manipulated subjects of the new "people's republic."

    We may well be witnessing a pivotal moment in creating a system, against which a future free-market revolution will be fought. Let's hope it won't be merely a plot device in a libertarian sci-fi novel, because if this revolution doesn't happen in real life, manuscripts of such nature may soon become inadmissible for publication.


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    • #3
      Every American who disagrees with redistribution of wealth, big Government and totalitarianism should read this and understand it. A well written treatise from Communist USSR to what is happening today in the United States of America.

      E-mail this to everyone you know.

      Google Oleg Atbashian for additional informative reading.

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      • #4
        The Federalist No. 1: Hamilton
        "...a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people, than under the forbidding appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us, that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism, than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics the greatest number have begun their career, by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing Demagogues and ending Tyrants."
        This written well before Lenin OR Stalin!

        The Federalist No. 5: Jay
        "...Distrust naturally creates distrust, and by nothing is good will and kind conduct more speedily changed, than by invidious jealousies and uncandid imputations, whether expressed or implied."

        Tell the same lie loud enough and often enough, it becomes truth, whether it is or not! Then when the MSM reports it as "truth", it suddenly becomes "fact!
        Remember, the Boxer Rebellion in China was started by a barroom bet in the U.S.!

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        • #5
          Written 64 years ago George Orwell's 1984 was a better read and more prophetic. Even though it was also fiction. A little of it came true. TV's thin and as big as walls. Broadcasting to catch a Predator. And catchy terms "Thought Police", "Thought Crimes", Newspeak", and "Doubleplusgood". Heck it was even banned by the then Ministry of Information. It became a good read but not good enough to make a successful movie. I think the above has less of a chance. Now excuse me I have to go to the store and get some tin foil for my helmet.

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          • #6
            Carl, this isn't fiction, this man lived it and seen it happen right before his own eyes. He was forced to comply or be "Purged", sent to the Gulag, our all kinds of other heinous things. Orwell wrote fiction, this man lived. You should really read some of his more serious articles. He grew up in a authoritarian communist government which I'm assuming you never have given your complacency. Complacency as he states is what gets you into situations that you won't be able to get out of easily in the future. I understand you could careless about what the government does and that is your choice. Some of us respect the rule of law and expect our government to follow it. The 4th Amendment protects us from this sort of thing, yet some rather say "F" it they are trying to protect us. Well the anti-2nd Amendment fight recently was trying to protect us, did you support that? You can't be wishy-washy you can either support all or none not pick and choose. What about the 1st Amendment? Do you support the fact that our government was targeting the press and by all means intended to prosecute James Rosen for up to Treason which from my understanding is a death sentence? What about the laws of illegal immigration? What about laws against drugs, rape, pedophilia, stealing, murder, etc....? Why not just do away with all laws and make them up as we go? Who needs the protection of the Constitution of The United States? It's old and outdated according to the progressives. While your picking up tinfoil for you helmet you might want to swing by the feminine products and pick up some Masengill! Thanks from your favorite KOOK!

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            • #7
              LAWS the ideas by which we live. Yes they appear lax and an execution by the time it's carried out is more by old age than lethal injection. Why else would we have our worst "maybe" terrorists on the island of Cuba. Instead of 10 miles from no where Alaska. Or up by the Canadian border. Because we want them to get a sun tan. No because if they are on American soil they are granted all the rights in the Constitution.
              Myself I put as much faith in the written word as I do in TV. In my life I have known people on both sides of the line. My history teacher was one of the Chosin Few. One of a group of Korean era Marines that weren't retreating they just fought in a different direction.My Dad's real estatee lawyer was Willie [the Actor] Sutton. I met Mr. Sutton a very nice man. I shook hands with Roy DeMao not so nice and a host of others. As stated previously I met Khruschev's son. Also a good man.
              As far as my lac of faith in the written word they are open to much interpretation and prosthelytizing. IE the Bible, the Turner Diaries, Mien Kampf, the Koran. Too many people over the years have used them for their own agenda.

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              • #8
                Dcast I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. My wife had to explain to me the products you seem to be acquainted with. Do not despair with the advent of reassignment surgery and hormone therapy they will have your outside matching your inside in no time.
                As far as being my "favorite Kook I have to say no. They did not take the short bus to school and are more knowledgeablee than Copy & Paste. Have an original thought; I'll leave my brains at the door and we will have a discussion.

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                • #9
                  Carl, I'm quite happy with myself. Why the hate for the mentally disabled? After all you're the one making helmets not me! I will end the $h!t throwing here and now, you threw a jab so I gave you one back. I will leave it that you and I are in disagreement over the rights of what government can and cannot do. The point is they area breaking the law for reasons unknown, and they're getting a free pass. I will never except it, and you'll never care. For future reference I never road a bus to school, I was a "Cool" kid who had many friends older than myself!

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                  • #10
                    Dcast if you want to get your interpretation of Constitutional Law from the writer's of fiction. Well that I cannot answer. As far as America there are bigger fish to fry. A more noble pursuit might be to delve into how the IRS was used as a form of punishment or why the 2nd Amendment is being used as a distraction. This Snowden just violated is work contract. Hardly a whistle blower. He does not even approach the level of treason by the author of Wikileaks or Jane Fonda. I know Hero's are few and far between today. But if your as "Cool" as you think you will put more stock in Non Fiction.

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                      PS Dcast you appear to be computer savie. Maybe a better pursuit would be WHY Levies and Wrangler jeans haven't been made in America in 30 years. Why Niki is made in S. Africa. Why 35 years ago 80% of Americas clothes were made in NYC's Garment District. Today less than 5%. Or how come if I fly to the Caribbean I have to declare anything over $10,000 yet one of the founders of Face book can take a half a billion dollars to Argentina. The answers to the above would go a long way to bringing back my America.

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                      • #12
                        PPS Dcast one more thing before I sit down to dinner. All the above were indicators and not unique. In my youth I was a Sand Hog working on the 2nd Ave Subway Tunnel. It was a huge multi year multi Billion dollar project ALL the steel used was American Iron Ore shipped to Japan refined and shipped back to America as finished steel. Explain that to me?

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                        • #13
                          Carl - Without getting into this dispute, I would like to say that I think the outsourcing of textile manufacturing has something to do with the cost of labor in this country.
                          Many years ago I was shocked to learn than the auto workers not only got their own birthdays off as paid holidays, but also their wives' and children's birthdays as well.
                          I would imagine by now they must be getting their pets' birthdays off too.

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                            99 True there has always has been give & take and take & give. But with goods being manufactured with labor cost 1/20th of American labor how come the prices have done nothing but rise. Kind of like a double hit. Anyway Best Regards and Keep the Faith.

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                              "Dcast if you want to get your interpretation of Constitutional Law from the writer's of fiction." Where you got this is beyond me but I will humor you. 1st off most Constitutional Lawyers both sides of the political spectrum agree what is being done is illegal because they're gathering data for reasons unknown. Heck even Obama was against the Patriot Act in the past, yet has expanded it beyond it's intended reason. Without reasonable cause they do not have the right to snoop/spy on lawful citizens. Now if they are suspected of something unlawful then they have the right to search, snoop, spy, etc...

                              "As far as America there are bigger fish to fry. A more noble pursuit might be to delve into how the IRS was used as a form of punishment or why the 2nd Amendment is being used as a distraction" I think the article I posted simply explains that. IRS was/is being used for the simple reason to quite and punish the opposition to the progressive agenda. The 2nd Amendment maybe a little harder and is open to many opinions, mine being it's easier to control a helpless people. Once again Oleg clearly stated it and gave examples. I'm not a worshipper this guy but he has in my opinion a profound view not to mention he lived it first hand.

                              I'm not backing Snowden, he is neither a hero, someone to hate, or someone to look up to as far as I'm concerned if that's what your thinking. I plainly think the government has gotten way out of hand with the complacency of all. I'm not trying to be "noble", I'm stating my anger. Don't you think our government has better things to do? I think you missed the whole point of my post, it has nothing to do with Snowden and all to do with our government and what they are doing. Then again maybe you did understand my post. It was only linked then reposted because I personally think it is relevant right now.

                              As for your other two questions without researching I will simply state my assumptions of the Government, World Trade & Unions. Same with the automobile industry.

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