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  • #31
    So, Honk, did it ever occur to you the gent in the picture just might know "exactly" what he's doing?

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    • #32
      So, Honk, did it ever occur to you the gent in the picture just might know "exactly" what he's doing?

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      • #33
        Bubba: No. Unless the guy in the ad "exactly" intended to ruin a very fine set of antlers and/or "exactly" desired to cause a dangerous horse wreck. Can't imagine anyone in their right mind who would intend to do such things on purpose. This is not a matter of personal opinion. If the horns are loose on top of the horse they're going to get rubbed raw for starters but almost certainly wind up rolling down one side of the animal. You will find that many horses used to packing meat are still not at all thrilled with getting those strange looking things with smell of blood on them strapped to their back even if secured properly. If it slips loose, watch out! While on that subject, though Joe Back shows raw meat being packed on livestock, I would NEVER do that. Besides getting dirty, unwrapped bloody meat with hair on it will likely send even a good horse over the edge, especially if the load shifts wrong. Wrap it in tarps first, bring the horses to the load, tie them up right over it, put on their feedbags (molasses oats would take their mind off an impending tornado), go eat your own lunch, and then load them after they have had a chance to get used to the smell. Back's illustrations are good at showing how to position the quarters properly, something that would not be easily illustrated if the loads were displayed as mantied up (in tarps) or dropped in panniers. Do not bring the horses to the carcass before it's ready to load. Keep them out of sight and smell of the hair and gut pile. Otherwise you're just asking for trouble. And being on the loose end of 1000 lbs of trouble in the backcountry is a very bad thing!

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        • #34
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          • #35
            Now, Ontario, you obviously have never seen my often imitated, but never duplicated, world famous "Spider Hitch". It has befuddled packing experts for decades. Even Bill Heavy and Patrick McManus gaze with awe at this creation. Pack mules hang their heads in shame, pack horses just shy away. It is guaranteed to leave a trail of gear for miles.

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            • #36
              Happy, I'm sure I duplicated that hitch bringing out my first bull elk on rented horses without a guide. I guess the lodge owner was reasonably impressed with my determination, especially given the gawdawful location where I dropped that old boy. Ordinarily Rhoda wouldn't rent horses out to just anybody and, one would think, certainly not a kid who just turned nineteen. But she knew the country where I shot that elk and in hindsight I think she just wanted me to leave a trail so her guides could find out how to get up in there. That whole drainage was full of elk. She sure was impressed that I could have even got myself up into that hole to shoot something. It took three trips and two weeks to get that bull all out. Not sure who was happier me or her when I finally showed up late at night at the lodge with the rented horse and the last two quarters. Anyway, earlier that night as I was coming down the mountain I could see the headlights from the wrangler's truck where he was waiting at the spot I'd been dropped off. I made sure I put the horse onto the road a ways away so I could discreetly unload that meat without a genuine packer viewing my particular version of the "spider hitch." Took three attempts to get it loaded by myself. Then I was all done for. Good thing that mess hung together. A few weeks later I was in the Army. When I got out three years later I decided I wasn't going to duplicate that near disaster again. Bought my own animals, trailer, and tack and a copy of Back's book. Then I enrolled in a class. No substitute for experienced instruction.

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              • #37
                Dallas, most of us don't understand because we do not pack out equipment and game on horses or mules.

                Reading comments from Bubba and Ontario is like watching two Grand Masters playing chess.

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                • #38
                  P-h-w

                  A cross firing horse ain't necessarily "fixed", but a knowledgeable rider with "horse sense" can correct it when needed.
                  "Cross fire" is just as natural a part of a canter (not gallop!) as lead".
                  They just naturally "do" it.
                  ...and "cross fire" only counts off on the rider, not the horse. Proper leg cues at the proper timing in the gait prevents "cross fire".

                  Cross fire: when a horses rear end "lead" doesn't match his front end "lead" at the canter .....and no, "packers" couldn't care less about "cross fire".
                  It's a "show ring" thing.

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                  • #39
                    Also P-h-w
                    Most packers (not all!) idea of conformation is one leg under each corner and the ability to convert oxygen to carbon dioxide, hay to horse biscuits and tote a load.
                    I've seen show ring champions I wouldn't allow to $h!t in my barn!
                    I've had the pleasure of owning some ugly, swaybacked, roman nosed, rag-a-muffin nags that wouldn't be allowed IN a show ring, much less compete, that would give you their heart and soul for the taste of an oat!
                    I'll take ol' Ugli anytime!

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                    • #40
                      The term Canter should actually be referred to as off canter as a horse naturally doesn't carry their body straight while cantering. That is why some people refer to a canter as a lope, because canter just doesn't make sense. A horse having the wrong lead (wrong front foot leading the dance) during a canter, can result in an awkward feeling ride for an even semi-experienced rider. One way to fix a crossfire, is to lope your horse down a fenceline or wall, keeping the front end into the wall and their hind end into the center of the arena at a lope, to encourage them to follow the right lead. It's an excercise call haunches out. To practice changing to the other very accentuated, you simply switch your inside and outside legs position on the side of the horse and push them through the bit until you receive the opposite lead, or haunches in. Eventually that turns into flying lead changes, and loping sidepasses and the whole works. And Bubba- I could careless about a horse without heart. Bloodlines mean nothing to me except for maybe cowiness.... But even then they don't always result in much.

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                      • #41
                        At least we agree on the pedigree crap. My pinto packhorse was a mongrel (putting it mildly!) but she loved to work no matter what was on the agenda. She was a fabulous cow horse but, alas, her confirmation (or is it conformation?) was absolutely horrible. Straight up pasterns and she paddled badly. Would have been a miserable ride if she'd had some shock absorbers but without them I needed superglue to keep my eyeballs in place. A day in the saddle with her was quite punishing. But man could she move the cows! I wouldn't let her do it very often though because I knew if I did it would break her down. Or it would break me down! However, packing was good work for her and she lasted till she was nearly twenty-five which surprised me greatly. Gad, that old gal would do everything to help get a load on and if one was shifting on her, I knew about it instantly. She'd come up and about push me and the riding horse off the trail. "Get this damned mess fixed! Now!"

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                        • #42
                          At least we agree on the pedigree crap. My pinto packhorse was a mongrel (putting it mildly!) but she loved to work no matter what was on the agenda. She was a fabulous cow horse but, alas, her confirmation (or is it conformation?) was absolutely horrible. Straight up pasterns and she paddled badly. Would have been a miserable ride if she'd had some shock absorbers but without them I needed superglue to keep my eyeballs in place. A day in the saddle with her was quite punishing. But man could she move the cows! I wouldn't let her do it very often though because I knew if I did it would break her down. Or it would break me down! However, packing was good work for her and she lasted till she was nearly twenty-five which surprised me greatly. Gad, that old gal would do everything to help get a load on and if one was shifting on her, I knew about it instantly. She'd come up and about push me and the riding horse off the trail. "Get this damned mess fixed! Now!"

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                          • #43
                            Pray, do explain the split-eared horse. I haven't peeked. Am guessing it's one that has to be twitched every time it's saddled? (Hence the biting-the-ear type twitch sometimes used - but I'm not sure how successfully - in situations where a lip twitch isn't available. I was trained how to twitch with the tool but never used one outside of that. I could incapacitate a horse if it was an emergency and horse's health depended on it. But as far as I'm concerned nags that require twitching for any other reason (e.g. shoeing) should go to the glue factory.

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                            • #44
                              P-h-w
                              I think that's pretty much what I said, without all the foo-fa-raw!

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                              • #45
                                A split eared horse with a slice in just one ear was considered to be a bronco under saddle, a horse with a split in each ear is just plain dumb. It was a method for wrangling cowboys to figure which mount he wanted for the ride.

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