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I'm new to hunting and want to ask for a gun for my birthday. I've been hunting with my grandpa and uncles for a few years now s

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  • #16
    I've never shot an Elk so can't speak with direct experience with those animals. However, the .308 has been excellent for me in dropping whitetail deer and feral pigs. Hits like a .30-06 but with less recoil.

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    • #17
      Treestand,--- and?

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      • #18
        OK~OK Pmacc60 The 7mm/08 is a 270 in Short Pants.
        + 1 4-U

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        • #19
          Sorry The 308 is a 30/06 in short pants...Hahaha.

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          • #20
            Have any of you guys tryed limbsaver recoil pad? Does it reduce a lot of recoil? Some of you guys are strong on the 30-06 and I believe it's a versatile round. However, I'm kind of concerned about the recoil...

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            • #21
              Recoil depends a lot on the weight of the gun. Unless you're a little person, a seven to eight pound gun is fine to carry. A gun that weight in 30-06 isn't going to boot you too much.

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              • #22
                A 25-06 is light on recoil and is outstanding for deer. It is so light in recoil that you will enjoy plinking and varmint hunting for practice so you get to be a great marksman (especially with the light 75-90 bullets). Although it is on the light side for elk hunting, it will certainly work on elk within about 300 yards using modern premium 120g bullets.

                The second choice would be a 30-06 using 130g bullets or reduced loads if necessarry for deer hunting and 110g bullets for plinking and varmint hunting. I am an advocate of allowing beginners to use low recoil rifles so they enjoy the sport and get enough practice to be good. The 25-06 happens to be a rifle that does this very well and yet is powerful enough to be your go-to rifle for the rest of your life. The 30-06 is a very flexible cartridge with more energy if you intend to do a lot of elk hunting.

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                • #23
                  Njb123,
                  You have a broad spectrum of rifles and cartridge choices that would satisfy your need, but I think a bolt action .257 Roberts or .25-06 would serve you well. The 6.5x55mm, 7x57mm, 7mm-08 would also be fine choices. The .308 is a very versatile cartridge that is well-suited to a medium-length action and doesn't give up much to the .30-'06, which requires a standard-length action (as does the .25-'06). Have you had an opportunity to try several cartridges, and is there a rifle/cartridge combo that has appealed to you?

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                  • #24
                    I have Simms Limb Saver recoil pads on all of my rifles. My gunsmith says a Simms Limb Saver recoil pad takes as much recoil away as a muzzle brake. After using one for years and years I agree with him.

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                    • #25
                      Some consideration needs to be given to wastage. I was with my buddy when he shot his buck with 25-06 this fall and the lighter bullet made a mess of it! Really was a shame. Many years ago I was also pretty disgusted with the damage and poor "knock down" performance of 165 grain 30-06 used on mule deer and I dropped that bullet weight after half a box. Went back to 180 grains for both deer and elk. I WILL NOT shoot at deer or elk at 300-400 yards. We have been down the road about the reasons for that enough on here. If you feel you might need to be shooting at elk out at that distance (which I don't recommend in any event) then the 300 Win would be the gun for that. But it is heavier and kicks hard so you'll pay the price. A .308 WOULD NOT be the gun for that kind of hunting (doesn't reach and not enough power left at the end of its range) and no one should be shooting at elk with a 25-06. Period. The SKIN on the back of big bulls like the ones in my profile album can be an inch thick! It's still pretty thick over their shoulders. Forget all the blabber about shot placement. There's too many things you can't control when placing a shot with marginal bullets: big bones, wind factor, skin thickness, unexpected movement of animal or shooter, where the bullet will travel after impact, etc., etc. Get the caliber you KNOW will do the job without blowing up the meat or your shoulder. Or letting an animal walk away buggered up.

                      I can never understand all this wimping about recoil anyway. Really, I can't remember when the last time was I shot more than a half dozen rounds in the field during a season. If you do, something is very wrong! With you, not the gun. If you like playing at the range, then buy another light recoil gun for that purpose (maybe something in black plastic, which seems to be all the rage on the range these days).

                      Also, it sounds to me like this fella is deer hunting in the east which usually precludes any of the mountain top to mountain top or cross-prairie long shot hunting we are familiar with out west. He's likely going to be doing MOST of his hunting in brushy situations and not long shots. A 25-06 would not be a good choice in that situation and neither would hopped up lightweight bullet larger calibers. Poor performance in heavy cover. A 180 gr 30-06 would be perfect. I suspect he's also blind/stand hunting so a heavier long action rifle isn't going to be an issue since he's not going to be carrying it around all day. If he's worried about recoil the extra weight will be a blessing. Sounds like he will be growing into a big gun anyway.

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                      • #26
                        Thanks guys for more great advice. Ontario Honker, I'll be hunting in western Wisconsin (in between buffalo cand trempeleau county) and the terrain there is pretty hilly. We usually go on a lot of drives but do a decent amount of sitting as well... I'm not really concerned about weight, that's not an issue. I do plan on target shooting as much as possible, that's why I brought up recoil. And I know the 30-06 ammo is pretty cheap so that sounds appealing. I'll keep up the research on the perfect fit for me.

                        Sarge01, I'll have to look into that...

                        Keep sharing your thoughts! It's helping me out a lot.

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                        • #27
                          A .270 will do the job especially if you hit the animal in the right area but if want more bang get a 30-6 or .308.

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                          • #28
                            If I were a one-rifle hunter, it would be the .308 Winchester if I was not a handloader and a .280 Remington if I were a handloader. I hunted everything from coyotes to deer to elk with a .308 Win for many years.

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                            • #29
                              Njb123,
                              There is a lot of good advice here. Contrary to what some of the guys are saying here; if you are recoil sensitive stay away from the 30-06 until you overcome that sensitivity. Otherwise you will develop a flinch. I know, Ive been there done that...bought the t-shirt. I would go with the .308 for several reasons; light to moderate recoil depending on rifle and bullet weight, availability of ammo is outstanding and you can use it on anything from varmints to black bears. I can recommend the 7mm-o8 as well but ammo availability and cost may be an issue.

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                              • #30
                                Also, someone above said that this will not be your only firearm purchase. That is so true. Don't feel that you have to do everything with one gun because you end up compromising. If the majority of your hunting will be whitetail get a whitetail rifle. If you are fortunate enough to hunt elk in the future deal with that then. I like the fact that you want to practice and target shoot, contrary to OHH's comments you will shoot a lot of ammo and if you do that with a rifle that kicks (30-06 or .300 Win Mag) you will feel it. I practice with a soft recoiling rifle like a 22-250 or .308 and hunt with a .270, 308 or 30-06.

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