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Clay Cooper, Clearly you're a more experienced and capable shooter than most and a .22-250 is adequate for large deer for you. B

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  • bonnier-admin_2
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    CPT BRAD

    Food for thought, mule deer whas hit 3 rounds of 7mm Rem Mag 175 grainers at 100 yards. Deer ran out to 600-700 yards and with one shot with a 22-250 round, BOOM....PLOP!!

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  • CPT BRAD
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    I see you're riding the fence on this one Clay. I totally disagree with the 22-250 300 win mag comparison. Past 200 yards your running out of gas with the 22-250 at 300 you're between 600-700 FP of energy. Most people reccomend around 1000 for killing which my 300 will hold out to 800 yards! I DON'T recomend shooting 1/2 a mile, I wouldn't, but if a guy was up to it there is more than enough power to kill white tails at that range.

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  • shane
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    There are times where we ask "can we?", and there are time where we ask "should we?".

    Deer can be killed with a varmint round. My grandfather killed his first deer with a .22. But why use a varmint caliber for deer when there are so many deer calibers?

    Deer calibers for varmints = good time. Varmint calibers for deer = risky.

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  • bonnier-admin_2
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    For over a year now on F&S, I do believe this is the best debate of intellectual minds yet, not like the Cross Bow debate!

    I am impressed!!!

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  • teufelhunden
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    I think we need to go back and define "average". I consider myself an "average" hunter. When I killed the deer as a child I felt I was an expert. This begs another question does the "average" hunter in question know that he is average? Will he pick and choose his shots wisely or is he just blasting? Will he have the patience to wait for the braodside shot or will he just fire and pray? Will the knowledge that a larger caliber gives him more power lead him to aim center mass? will the knowledge that he is shooting the 22-250 cause him to pick a better opportunity? Who is average?

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  • Beekeeper
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    My experience was only with soft tissue shots, full broadside only. Did not try to break any bones. I wouldn't recommend a shoulder shot with a 55 grain soft point.

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  • steve182
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    Is that 55gr softpoint at 200 yds, or better yet 250, going to punch through or break the thickest part of the shoulder continuing on to take BOTH lungs? I'm aiming just behind it personally, but we should all agree a shoulder shot isn't uncommon or unethical if you have the right weapon and bullet.

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  • Beekeeper
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    MLH,

    The deer were shot were with conventional Remington loads with their 55 grain soft point. We didn't have much else back then. Shots were on animals feeding in the open at 200 yards of less. Some as close as 40 to 50 yards. Shots were to the heart. Seldom did the bullet exit. There was significant damage in the boiler room, but I've seen the same or worse from larger bullets.

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  • bonnier-admin_2
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    O’Brother, you guys are making it hard for me to pick a winner here and some of you are so close!

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  • texasfirst
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    Teufelhunden is correct! NO BULLET WILL MAKE UP FOR A POOR SHOT. In other words, bullet placement counts most! That said, I do not recommend .22 anything for whitetail, and that is coming from the guy who killed two whitetail and one muj FO with the .223. Semper Fi.

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  • teufelhunden
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    I see where you are going with this steve, but no bullet will make up for a poor shot. You can cripple just as many deer with an ultra mag as you can with a 22-250. We can talk energy, sectional density, etc, etc. but the fact remains the 22-250 is a perfectly capable and efficient deer rifle.

    Any reasonable and ethical shot by an average hunter that would kill a deer with a .300 win mag would kill a deer just as dead with a 22-250. The questions arise when we start talking about shooting through brush, poor angle of the animal, and shooting beyond average capability.

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  • MLH
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    I am curious what the insides of the deer looked like after getting hit at fairly close range with a .22-250. I take it you're not using ballistic tips.

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  • Beekeeper
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    There is a great article on shooting deer with .22 caliber centerfire rifles in Nosler Reloading Manual #4 (I think, perhaps 3). It is by John Nosler and he relates how the state of Oregon asked him to hunt with high velocity .22 centerfires during deer season and provide feed back on a proposed rule change. He chose the .225 Winchester, a cartridge very similar in all respects to the .22/250. He did not always get the much vaunted bang/flop and found that tracking a deer shot with a .22 diameter bullet was miserable work. His vote, shoot them with something bigger.

    I have a farmer friend who deer hunts with a .22/250. He swears by it and friends I don't want him lining me up in the cross wires. He also owns several tracking dogs and will admit to using them frequently when things don't quite line up right.

    That said, I did some work collecting deer for an EHD study when I was an undergrad (years ago...). The shooting was done with a .22/250 at night. With perfect shot placement the deer did fall at bullet strike. I also did some sampling with a .22 long rifle in more urban areas and at short range (less than 40 yards) a CCI mini mag in the ear hole will kill them on impact also. But it is still a stunt for those who can shoot well and are calm and cool on the trigger. The average Joe Deerhunter is not that calm and not that cool. That is why I hear entire magazines from Remington 742 Woodsblasters emptied on opening day.

    I also work frequently with animal control officers. their choice for shooting hundreds of problem deer every year are silenced Remington 700 Senderos in .270. The load, a 100 grain bullet at about 2,650. They don't like the .22/250 for said work because of the ocassional on that gets away...

    It is not that this tool can't do the job, it is more like is this the best tool for the job...?

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  • steve182
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    Keep in mind guys i said "most shooters." I don't think most shooters are as proficient as you military men, therefore what works for you should not nessecarily be recommended to average shooters.

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  • bonnier-admin_2
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    feelings are set aside and start basing on facts?

    What a clue!!!

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