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  • WA Mtnhunter
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    I offered to take that poor shooting Mark V lightweight of Dakotaman’s hands when he first whined about its lack of accuracy. 😂😂😂

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  • Ernie
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    Sportsman has them for $479, and you even get a picatinny rail to boot.

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  • Ernie
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    I have witnessed a number of them shooting quite good out to 500-600 yards.
    Pretty good rifle for the money.
    The one thing I have noticed with rifles (more than one brand) with the Tupperware stocks (that is what I call them) when using a bi-pod, you have to make sure you are not torquing the stock whatsoever, or the forend can end up touching the barrel if you are not careful.

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  • Ernie
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    Originally posted by PigHunter

    I'm trying to stay away from political conversations as much as possible because of my lack of interest in going back and forth with anyone here. Sometimes I can't help myself but then remember that I don't really care what anyone here thinks about politics.
    Good for you!
    I don't even read the political conversations...

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  • Ernie
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    Originally posted by jhjimbo View Post

    O.K. I just thought a lot of rifle companies can use any weight barrel they want. I have a Steyer Mannllicher I would not want to shoot 3 or 4 Click image for larger version

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    The point is, if the rifle is so finicky you cannot even do load development with it with three shot groups without it turning into a big hassle, is a non-starter for folks who want accuracy and the ability to prove down range drops/point of impact.
    When you have to work that hard to get groups better than 2" at a 100 yards it is very frustrating.
    If you are not shooting beyond 350 yards anyway, accuracy doesn't matter that much, as a 2" rifle at 100 is shooting 7" groups at 350 yards all things being equal (not counting wind or field shooting rests).
    Rifle companies do make light weight rifles that shoot good groups.
    But not all do

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  • jhjimbo
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    Originally posted by PigHunter
    The most I've done hunting on foot is about 9 miles. It was in hills but below 500 ft.

    My Ruger American is accurate, was 6.5 lbs from the factory, and cost 1/5 of those pencil barrels.
    PH you are making posts that will not open.

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  • Ernie
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    Originally posted by DakotaMan View Post
    My Mark V feather weight started out shooting around 3" groups at 100 yards; and that was after a year of load optimization. When I talked to Weatherby about their 1.5 MOA guarantee with their ammo, they said "Not on the ultra-light rifles". I tinkered on it with various bedding techniques for 2 years and now it shoots well enough to shoot a deer pretty well at 200 yards. I won't shoot it at ranges beyond that and it remains the least accurate rifle I have ever owned. I keep it for sentimental reasons and it sure is easy to carry in the mountains.
    I wouldn't have even kept it as is, not matter what the brand, unless it was part of my dad's collection or something like that.
    You are a more patient man than I am in this area.
    My revolvers do better than 3" at 100 yards.
    They actually do better than 2" at 100 yards.
    Several of them even do better than 2" at 100 yards.
    Even 2" is a large group for three of them at 100 yards
    In a rifle I would rather have a little heavier barrel that was shorter, and get great accuracy, because what is the big deal in a couple of extra clicks...

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  • jhjimbo
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    Originally posted by Ernie View Post
    He is referring to the Weatherby rifles...
    His point ( At least this is what I think he is saying), is his Ruger is lightweight, shoots great, and is at a 1/5 of the cost
    O.K. I just thought a lot of rifle companies can use any weight barrel they want. I have a Steyer Mannllicher I would not want to shoot 3 or 4 Click image for larger version

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  • Ernie
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    Originally posted by jhjimbo View Post
    I don't follow, what pencil barrels ?
    He is referring to the Weatherby rifles...
    His point ( At least this is what I think he is saying), is his Ruger is lightweight, shoots great, and is at a 1/5 of the cost

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  • jhjimbo
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    I don't follow, what pencil barrels ?

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  • Ernie
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    I have never walked 10 miles a day or more on average when hunting in the mountains for a 5-7 day hunt. I have in the plains, but never in the mountains. Unless one has horses or mules, most people do not walk 10 miles or more a day when hunting between 8-10 thousand feet elevation.
    Some might, but most do not.

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  • jhjimbo
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    Originally posted by DakotaMan View Post
    It's a trade off jimbo. The question is do you want "accuracy" or do you want "ultra light weight"?. The only way to get to 5 pounds is to use a really skinny barrel because that is where all the weight is. My Mark V feather weight started out shooting around 3" groups at 100 yards; and that was after a year of load optimization. When I talked to Weatherby about their 1.5 MOA guarantee with their ammo, they said "Not on the ultra-light rifles". I tinkered on it with various bedding techniques for 2 years and now it shoots well enough to shoot a deer pretty well at 200 yards. I won't shoot it at ranges beyond that and it remains the least accurate rifle I have ever owned. I keep it for sentimental reasons and it sure is easy to carry in the mountains.

    The custom rifles I mentioned are capable of shooting deer at 1000 yards (if you are capable) and pretty well shoot with bench rest precision and top velocity for the cartridge. The 25-06 AI shoots about the same as the .257 Wby with less powder and higher precision. The long Sendero barrels would normally weigh about 5 pounds whereas the carbon fiber barrels are about half that with great precision.
    I have had some rifles (some very expensive) with skinny barrels and when you only need one shot who cares ?

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  • fitch270
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    Originally posted by rock rat View Post
    I am always above 8K and cover 10 miles a day minimum. Not real concerned with weight, don't carry a rifle when humping out elk quarters.
    10 miles minimum?

    https://answers.fieldandstream.com/f...r-another-year

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  • rock rat
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    I am always above 8K and cover 10 miles a day minimum. Not real concerned with weight, don't carry a rifle when humping out elk quarters.

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  • Ernie
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    I agree with DM, in that it needs to be both accurate and lightweight.
    Part of it depends on the capability of the hunter in field conditions with field rests to put the bullet where it belongs.
    When you consider that, then the accuracy needs may not need to be a big issue😁
    That last rifle is a nice looking rig Jim.
    Like the looks of the recoil pad.
    I did an article on lightweight rifles for Eastman's, and was sent one of PROOF Research's rifles in 7mm Rem Mag. It shot lights out!

    Can I just say, I am not a fan of brakes that have holes in the bottom...
    For hunting, it is not a big pain, but I don't like getting debris (sand/dirt/etc...) kicked up into my gun and face when I practice.
    Laziness on the part of manufacturer, since they don't have to time a brake.
    I think I have two guns that have ports all the way around.
    One is a benchrest rig
    The other was to keep the lines looking clean on my old school Dominator.
    I wished I had chosen function over form now, but I still like the looks better.
    Sometimes I don't even follow my own advice...

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