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  • AKAdventure
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    The last couple self defense shootings up here in a Alaska were done with 9mm. Both were successful and one was actually a guide who was in an area where he hadn't ran into any bears in the past. He brought his 9mm just in case, then had to use it. No matter what anyone tells you, the 9mm with the right ammo has been proven over and over again as an effective round. In the three documented cases I've seen in Alaska where someone used it, the 9mm scored Three kills.

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  • Todd Jacobs
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    Originally posted by Army Sniper View Post
    So funny, not ONE person answered your question, for that, I apologize. The smallest Caliber I have used to take down a bear was .40 Cal. I was walking in Colorado along one of the trails in a National Park with my wife when a huge bear, still unsure if it was a grizzly or what, approached my wife and I. I yelled, I fired a warning shot in the air hoping to scare it away, and he did not seem to care at all. Perhaps the bear may have gotten rabies, or another type of virus, idk. He charged my wife oddly enough, as I was closer to him than she was. He was about 10 meters away when he charged, 9, 8, 6 pop pop, and he hit the dirt surprisingly hard. I put two standard UMC 180grn FMJ .40 S&W rounds through his forehead. And I got a little teary eyed. I am in no way proud of this kill, nor was I happy that I had to shoot this beautiful animal. I tried to scare him away, but he did not seem to care. All these yahoo's that have a penis disorder and need to compensate with a large caliber firearm make me laugh. A well placed smaller round is far better than a poorly placed large caliber round, as the target acquisition is so much slower. Anyway, I would not go below .40 S&W, not worth risk. If you plan on hiking with someone you love dearly, and wish to save them if S hits the fan, take a .40 or above. Hope this helped.
    "Perhaps the bear may have gotten rabies, or another type of virus, idk."

    Rabies, a virus? You don't have a clue as to why it happened. Why then make these ridiculous guesses. Or it could have been you were just too close to the bear, you and your wife didn't make enough noise while you were hiking, there was a food source for the bear nearby, it had young nearby, etc. Hate it when people make extremely uneducated guesses because they don't add any knowledge.

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  • rudyglove27
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    44 Mag?

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    44 Mag?

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  • Skinnybeeman
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    Originally posted by Army Sniper View Post
    So funny, not ONE person answered your question, for that, I apologize. The smallest Caliber I have used to take down a bear was .40 Cal. I was walking in Colorado along one of the trails in a National Park with my wife when a huge bear, still unsure if it was a grizzly or what, approached my wife and I. I yelled, I fired a warning shot in the air hoping to scare it away, and he did not seem to care at all. Perhaps the bear may have gotten rabies, or another type of virus, idk. He charged my wife oddly enough, as I was closer to him than she was. He was about 10 meters away when he charged, 9, 8, 6 pop pop, and he hit the dirt surprisingly hard. I put two standard UMC 180grn FMJ .40 S&W rounds through his forehead. And I got a little teary eyed. I am in no way proud of this kill, nor was I happy that I had to shoot this beautiful animal. I tried to scare him away, but he did not seem to care. All these yahoo's that have a penis disorder and need to compensate with a large caliber firearm make me laugh. A well placed smaller round is far better than a poorly placed large caliber round, as the target acquisition is so much slower. Anyway, I would not go below .40 S&W, not worth risk. If you plan on hiking with someone you love dearly, and wish to save them if S hits the fan, take a .40 or above. Hope this helped.
    Funny, never owned a gun. But in surfing can find every infinitesimal detail for what I need. In Iraq was just handed a war zone sidearm! Anyway the other day we went up into the hills (not mountains yet just hills) on the west coast of Vancouver Island to look for a bee yard. We were way in on a logging road when one little cub ran across the road followed by a sibling, seconds later there was mom making sure they were up the closest tree. So hear is were the fun starts! Mom turns, she is about 10ft in front, and glares with these little beady eyes, I mean she is pissed. The discussion in the cab of the 2014 F150 is as follows - she is not happy, can she break the windshield, what about the roof think the metal is thick enough - I mean there was concern oh and no sidearms are prohib unless permits. Well John's quick thinking, cause she is thinking of taking on a pickup (Black Bear no Grizzly till way up north), he starts to inch forward and she takes off into the bush. So lots of times when we are up there with the bees we can here the bears (sometimes cougars) off in the bush, so I think time for some permits. Don't want to kill any of them, but little while back two fellas where found mauled with the shotgun still leaning on the tree!!!!! So thanks sniper I think glock 17 or 19 was going to get a cannon like Desert Eagle but recoil and so on, makes sense on charge - small calibre, less recoil, greater likelihood of body mass. By the way we have a bear that lives in the neighbourhood and crosses the four lane highway and it looks both way, no word of a lie. He wants to live to and we rarely see him

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  • Army Sniper
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    So funny, not ONE person answered your question, for that, I apologize. The smallest Caliber I have used to take down a bear was .40 Cal. I was walking in Colorado along one of the trails in a National Park with my wife when a huge bear, still unsure if it was a grizzly or what, approached my wife and I. I yelled, I fired a warning shot in the air hoping to scare it away, and he did not seem to care at all. Perhaps the bear may have gotten rabies, or another type of virus, idk. He charged my wife oddly enough, as I was closer to him than she was. He was about 10 meters away when he charged, 9, 8, 6 pop pop, and he hit the dirt surprisingly hard. I put two standard UMC 180grn FMJ .40 S&W rounds through his forehead. And I got a little teary eyed. I am in no way proud of this kill, nor was I happy that I had to shoot this beautiful animal. I tried to scare him away, but he did not seem to care. All these yahoo's that have a penis disorder and need to compensate with a large caliber firearm make me laugh. A well placed smaller round is far better than a poorly placed large caliber round, as the target acquisition is so much slower. Anyway, I would not go below .40 S&W, not worth risk. If you plan on hiking with someone you love dearly, and wish to save them if S hits the fan, take a .40 or above. Hope this helped.

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  • Justin Lammers
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    What about Dmax Sidewinder/BFR in 45lc/410 with Lehigh ammunition. Maximum expansion ammunition enters ballistics gel at 11.7" avg and bullet expands to 1.7" leaving a large cut path to hit vitals. One round takes up same expansion size of 4 standard 45acp hollows!! It packs quite the punch. Convinced 45lc would do it easily just avoid old cowboy low grain rounds. I recommend Lehigh ammo.

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  • duwhite
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    The perfect Bear defense pistol for Black Bears of any size in my opinion would be the 480 Ruger with a 9.5" barrel loaded with the 425 Grain Wide Flat Nose Gas Check rounds offered by Grizzly Cartridge. You could shoot a Black Bear in the face with this and have the bullet come ripping through it's asshole. If that's not powerful enough for you, then you're by no means a man or in any condition mentally to be walking through the woods where there are critters such as the Great Bears. Don't listen to people who criticize a big revolver such as the one I mention as being un handy in a dangerous situation because of it's long barrel, I own one believe me, this is not true. If you were gooing to be in the woods with Brown Bears though, you are definitely going to want to be carrying a 45-70 levergun rather than a pistol. If you were going to be carrying a pistol though, it would be wise to step up to the 500 S&W loaded with the heaviest Wide Flat Nose solids available for the gun.

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