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    Is it legal to shoot clay pigeons over deep, open Lake water with lead shot.?

  • #2
    New York's regulations only specify when you're actually hunting waterfowl. Are you making the point that it's pointless to prohibit lead shot for waterfowl hunting but still allow the shooting when someone's not actually hunting? I can see that point -- a round of clay pigeon shooting would put a lot more lead into the ecosystem than an average day of duck hunting.

    Another issue, though, would be the act of polluting the lake, unless the pigeons are the biodegradable kind.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MattM37 View Post
      New York's regulations only specify when you're actually hunting waterfowl. Are you making the point that it's pointless to prohibit lead shot for waterfowl hunting but still allow the shooting when someone's not actually hunting? I can see that point -- a round of clay pigeon shooting would put a lot more lead into the ecosystem than an average day of duck hunting.

      Another issue, though, would be the act of polluting the lake, unless the pigeons are the biodegradable kind.
      They are and the lead would sink way below the bottom in the muck, just like where the mercury went. Out of the reach of bottom dwellers and out of the main mater.

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      • #4
        Went through this awhile back.
        I don't have any idea about Ohio and what laws they might have passed, but in general, you can't hunt waterfowl with anything but nontoxic shot. Whether it's over water or a wheatfield. No toxic shot! Period!

        BUT.....if you wanted to set up and shoot dove over the same wheatfield or waterway, lead shot is perfectly legal.

        NOW.... Let's back up a step!
        There are two different types of lead.
        1) metallic
        2) soluble

        Metallic lead (lead used in bullets and shotguns) is NOT a problem.
        Soluble lead (paint, gasoline, insecticides, etc) is VERY toxic and a HUGE problem.

        Lead shot consumed by waterfowl is passed through their intestines* just like if you swallowed lead shot from a dove, quail or squirrel.
        ....OR the lead fragments in you venison.

        Not trying to start any arguments, just what I've seen/read lately!

        *sure it goes in their crop, but birds are constantly picking up grit, pebbles, etc. That's because it passes through them and they have to swallow more to go in their crop.
        Last edited by FirstBubba; 07-23-2021, 03:20 PM.

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        • #5
          I thought the shot in the crop caused the trouble. Ducks picked up shot from the lake bottom, it is ground in the craw, enters the blood stream with digestion, and boom, dead duck. Same with lead fragments in offal piles. Digestion makes it soluble. That's the argument used to outlaw lead shot, bullets, and fishing tackle. What's true?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by franchi20 View Post
            I thought the shot in the crop caused the trouble. Ducks picked up shot from the lake bottom, it is ground in the craw, enters the blood stream with digestion, and boom, dead duck. Same with lead fragments in offal piles. Digestion makes it soluble. That's the argument used to outlaw lead shot, bullets, and fishing tackle. What's true?
            It takes a chemical reaction to convert "metallic" lead into "soluble" lead. As strong as they are, digestive acids aren't that strong.
            There were studies with the California condor* that proved the condor was picking up soluble lead from other sources.
            Garbage dumps, insecticides, etc.

            With liberal deer limits in Texas, hunters kill a couple hundred thousand deer every year, MANY of them gutted where they fell!
            Texas does not have a problem with turkey vultures dying of lead poisoning!
            Nor has "lead poisoning" affected the coyote or feral hog population.

            One pro "nontoxic shot" study claimed that the ingestion of as little as one or two #8 pellets would kill a mallard.

            * - Necropsy of dead condor chicks showed death was most often caused by garbage bits, no doubt fed to them by their parents. Glass bits, bolts, screws, bottle caps, etc.
            Last edited by FirstBubba; 07-23-2021, 08:41 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post
              Went through this awhile back.
              I don't have any idea about Ohio and what laws they might have passed, but in general, you can't hunt waterfowl with anything but nontoxic shot. Whether it's over water or a wheatfield. No toxic shot! Period!

              BUT.....if you wanted to set up and shoot dove over the same wheatfield or waterway, lead shot is perfectly legal.

              NOW.... Let's back up a step!
              There are two different types of lead.
              1) metallic
              2) soluble

              Metallic lead (lead used in bullets and shotguns) is NOT a problem.
              Soluble lead (paint, gasoline, insecticides, etc) is VERY toxic and a HUGE problem.

              Lead shot consumed by waterfowl is passed through their intestines* just like if you swallowed lead shot from a dove, quail or squirrel.
              ....OR the lead fragments in you venison.

              Not trying to start any arguments, just what I've seen/read lately!

              *sure it goes in their crop, but birds are constantly picking up grit, pebbles, etc. That's because it passes through them and they have to swallow more to go in their crop.
              You are already off point. Refer to question #1.

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              • #8
                I answered the question. Sorry if you didn't catch the answer.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post
                  I answered the question. Sorry if you didn't catch the answer.
                  No you did not. I am shooting clay pigeons. Can't you read and have reading comprehension ?

                  Stop with all the blather nobody is interested in.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jhjimbo View Post

                    No you did not. I am shooting clay pigeons. Can't you read and have reading comprehension ?

                    Stop with all the blather nobody is interested in.
                    You're just being obtuse jimbo. Just chill. Nobody's complaining but you.

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