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  • Why doesn't everyone own a 6PPC?

    I've been experimenting with a 6PPC rifle for the last few weeks. I have not yet developed the optimum load but I have been amazed. This is the most fun I have ever had shooting a rifle. It is so deadly accurate. So far, it seems to group around 0.15" at 100 yards and I think it will ultimately do better. It is really fun shooting a rifle that accurate. This is a bench rest rifle so it has a 14 twist barrel for the 68 grain bullets I've been shooting. I've shot it up to 3450+ fps but seem to be settling on an accuracy node at about 3400. This rifle has a small firing pin aperture allowing it to support higher velocities than you might see in the book. I'm using a $400 Weaver T-36 scope. I have been doing precision case prep just as a bench rest shooter would but I think factory ammo would produce at least quarter inch groups out of the box if it were available.

    With this kind of precision, you could not only shoot houseflies between the shoulder blades at 100 yards but you could easily shoot small varmints out to 500 yards. Just target shooting is fun too. After a couple of weeks with this rifle, I'm really wondering why the cartridge has not become the favorite of varmint hunters and rifle enthusiasts across the country. The 22-250 is much faster with little 40g and 50g bullets but these cartridges are quite similar in trajectory at longer ranges. With the 6PPC, I would only aim for a prairie dog's eyeball out to 200 yards and expect to hit it. I aim at their whole head with a .22-250.

    If you enjoy elite precision shooting and like to shoot varmints, you need to consider this. So far, it is the most enjoyable cartridge I've ever shot (but of course I wouldn't want it for Grizzly bears).
    Last edited by DakotaMan; 10-08-2021, 10:23 AM.

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    I don't understand it either, D'Man!
    I mean, geez, the ammo store shelves are absolutely stacked with 6PPC ammo! ๐Ÿ˜‚

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    • #3
      I started varmints when 6ppc was a dream. Started with a .225 then moved up to a .223, then on to a 22-250. I am stuck on 22-250 for serious groundhog but I do carry my .17WSM walking around camp for an opportunity at a shot.

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      • #4
        .15" ? are you subtracting the bullet diameter when calculating group size ? How did you measure .15" group - how many shots ?

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        • #5
          The 6mm PPC (Palmisano & Pindel Cartridge), or 6 PPC as it is more often called, is a centerfire rifle cartridge used almost exclusively for benchrest shooting.It is one of the most accurate cartridges available at distances of up to 300 meters, i.
          This cartridge's accuracy is produced by a combination of its stout posture, being only 31 mm (1.22 in) long, and aggressive shoulder angle of 30 degrees. Its primary use has been benchrest shooting matches since the 1980s.

          No doubt the little varmint would be a deer slayer, but since it's design and developement was purely a target round, about the only place you will find it is on a target bench, punching paper.
          I'm sure if you asked around long enough, you'd find somebody that deer hunts with one.
          As short and stout as the cartridge is, I can't see how any bolt or semi auto wouldn't have feed issues.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PigHunter
            One cartridge to rule them all...
            Sorry pighunter. That's the wrong photo! ๐Ÿ˜‰!

            ALL RISE! ...for the Honorable 6.8mm Rem SPC!

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            • #7
              You know two things you see academy sports. Dodge trucks and 6.5 shooters.
              nuff said.

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              • #8
                If...I was shooting 100/200 yard BR I would definitely have one or two 6PPC's.
                But, I don't, and I don't see me getting one anytime soon.
                It is a great cartridge for it's wheelhouse discipline.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jhjimbo View Post
                  .15" ? are you subtracting the bullet diameter when calculating group size ? How did you measure .15" group - how many shots ?
                  He is measuring the same way they do in competitions.
                  https://www.lapua.com/finnish-benchr...rd-with-lapua/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ernie View Post

                    He is measuring the same way they do in competitions.
                    https://www.lapua.com/finnish-benchr...rd-with-lapua/
                    He should indicate that his measurment is by Competition specifications, because 99% of the people measure with a ruler and not a micrometer - that seems misleading to the masses.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Milldawg View Post
                      You know two things you see academy sports. Dodge trucks and 6.5 shooters.
                      nuff said.
                      HEY!!!
                      I resemble that remark! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ!
                      I drive a Dodge, but I shoot a 6.8.
                      Does that make me .3 better than a 6.5 shooter?

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                      • #12
                        It just made me wonder why this little gem was labeled as only a "bench rest cartridge" making us think that it couldn't be used for every day shooting. There is no reason the cartridge is only useful for the specific purpose of bench rest shooting. It seems to be great for anything where you want an exceptionally accurate rifle. There is no problem with magazine feeding. I realize that it is NOT considered acceptable for average Americans and that there is no ammo for any cartridge on the shelves of our stores. What I wonder is why has this cartridge NOT bubbled to the top as an outstanding cartridge for everyone? I realize that the U.S. Military or NATO have not selected it and that is a precursor to most of our top cartridges but this one is quickly becoming my favorite.

                        I've only been shooting 3-shot groups so far in my load development testing but am anxious to begin shooting 5-shot groups as soon as I can identify the optimum load. Yes... since the groups look like one bullet hole on paper, I have to measure the max outside diameter and subtract .243. The only thing I see that is unique about it is that a small aperture firing pin hole allows it to be shot at higher velocities without rupturing primers. But the same could be said for any other cartridge. I shoot my 6mm Creedmoor with a small firing pin hole for the same reason.

                        I haven't shot it at longer range than 100 yards so far but expect that I may be able to get 3/4" 5-shot groups at 500 yards. It should be fun. For 100-200 yard accuracy and fun shooting of any kind, this cartridge is going to be hard to beat.

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                        • #13
                          It has a number of uses beyond benchrest game, but Iโ€™m just donโ€™t have the desire to use it unless I would go to that discipline. It would work pretty good for 600 yard benchrest or FClass, it would work great for hunting in varminting and general all around shooting

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jhjimbo View Post

                            He should indicate that his measurment is by Competition specifications, because 99% of the people measure with a ruler and not a micrometer - that seems misleading to the masses.
                            jimbo, a length of 0.15" represents a pretty accurate group whether it is measured with a ruler or a micrometer or whether it is measured from outside, inside or from the middle. I measured with a micrometer because a ruler really doesn't work in measuring groups that small. If 99% of the people use a ruler, I would suspect that is because they are not shooting a precision cartridge or because they are pretty shaky or perhaps just don't own a micrometer. I've never seen an analysis of how people measure their groups or what they use to do it. If you can post a link to your source, I'd love to read it.

                            My load-test groups are 3-shot groups (to save unattainable primers, powder and bullets) but I'll soon be shooting 5-shot groups for the pure fun of it. I don't normally see significant variations in precision when I do that. My observation is that when testing precision in load development, if a 3-shot group is not worth using, there is no reason to fire two more shots of the exact same load into that group... it can only get worse. I just move on to the next iteration in the test. At around $1 per round and no replacements available, it's become the new norm for me.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ernie View Post
                              It has a number of uses beyond benchrest game, but Iโ€™m just donโ€™t have the desire to use it unless I would go to that discipline. It would work pretty good for 600 yard benchrest or FClass, it would work great for hunting in varminting and general all around shooting
                              I'm just noticing that it is FUN to shoot because of its surprising precision. Realistically, it could well be used for deer hunting out to at least 150 yards with that slow twist rate and of course small varmint shooting out to about 600 yards. With an 8 twist, my friend harvested 7 deer last season at around 350 yards with his 6mm ARC and it is quite similar to the PPC. None of them moved out of their tracks.

                              I like the 14 twist in the PPC though because of its speed and precision with the 58g-68g bullets. It has been such a FUN rifle to shoot. I'm digging out my 100 yard housefly targets and I bet I won't miss too many at 100 yards.

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