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Along the lines of big bear hand cannon medicine what is the vote for 'hard cast' vs Jacket and or hollow point bullets ??

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  • #16
    I once pointed on a grizzly across the river from the Park. And it wasn't with binoculars either. Fortunately it backed down. I actually only encountered a few in all the years in the woods. I generally avoided the park. It had too many habituated bears ... and way too many people.

    The worst problem I recall was with a really big black bear. Had to admire that old boy. He was quite the accomplished raider. He knew if anyone was about and would leave things alone. But if there were no horses in camp, he'd help himself. Became a big problem for the dude outfitters. I put my stuff on a platform between three fairly skinny lodgepole pines. When I came in the following week with the other half of my camp, I found that he had stripped all the bark trying to climb the support trees (he was too big) so he climbed a larger tree about four feet away and skydived onto the platform breaking it down. No kidding! Cirque de bruin! Then he went through everything and bit one hole in each item to sample it. One hole in my sleeping bag, one hole in the gas can, one hole right through my alarm clock (which I still have and it still works). If he liked it, he ate it. Otherwise he left it alone. Curiously, he didn't like canned peas! Can't say as I blame him. It was a darned good thing I shot a couple of spruce grouse for dog food on the way in. Nothing went to waste on those birds that night! A month later one of the clients for Desert Mountain Lodge shot the bear. He was a real monster. The outfitter estimated he was easily over 500 lbs. I suspect they baited him which was illegal but he was too much of a nuisance and had to be taken care of. No way to get a barrel trap into that country (which also uses bait). The remarkable thing about that bear was that for all the trouble he caused no one ever saw him until he was shot. But his huge track was quite distinctive. Whatta guy!

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    • #17
      Greenhead... the point is: "Penetration does not stop big enraged bears" when using low velocity, low energy projectiles like a pistol bullet! Therefore the "amount of penetration" is irrelevant. Unless you hit a charging bear in the brain (with either type of bullet), it will most probably HURT you. If you are serious about stopping a bear charge, think "Rifle", "Slug" or "Bear Spray". If you can't use one of these, a pistol is better than a sharp stick, but not by much, regardless of the bullet composition.

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      • #18
        The majority opinion above is for 'hard cast' bullets.
        Then what are jacketed bullets good for?

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