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  • #16

    "In wartime truth is so precious that she should be attended by a bodyguard of lies.” W. Churchill.

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    • #17
      Businesses and many online services routinely track us every day. Since I am forced for convenience sake to ignore it I really do not have an issue with the government accessing certain info. At work they read our emails and track everything we do anyway. I'd prefer a reduction in private sector businesses spying on us and keeping data for no useful purpose. The fact that the government can see it, bothers me as well, but there is little that can realistically be done about it at this point. The average politician is too stupid to write a coherent gun control bill they will never get a cyber privacy bill right. I'm just ticked Obama is not being held to the level of accountability a Republican would be.

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      • #18
        The thing that bothers me is that "we" are only now outraged by this. Be honest, when Bush put the Patriot Act in place you didn't know your phone, cell, email, and Internet weren't going to be monitored. When Obama didn't repeal the Act the surveillance didn't go away, no a shock. Now we are mad?

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        • #19
          As far as America knowing there is a problem. America has no idea of what a phone tap is. This is just the W.C. Fields quote about never wise up a sucker. But Gary riddle me this. Would you flee to Red China for asylum. As far as truth it's which talking head do you believe. Walter Cronkite only became the most trusted man in America after he cried with the JFK spot. Back then everybody toed the party line.
          Rocky I like the qoute "true history can only be written in the blood of your enemies".

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          • #20
            I know it would seem to be a just system if everyone in Congress approved of and knew exactly what the spy agencies were doing. But how effective would they be as spy agencies if every clown in Congress knew what they were up too? C'mon! If those guys/gals were any kind of trustworthy they probably wouldn't be able to get elected!

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            • #21
              Snowden is no hero in my book. More like the opposite!

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              • #22
                Fine line between his version of truth and treason. You decide. I vote treason. I'm sure the Chinese will get all they want from him.

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                • #23
                  Diann Feinstein is calling it Treason, and some say Patriot! what say you??
                  I say Treason.

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                  • #24
                    It's not like the government has a guy reading EVERY person's e-mails, texts, Internet histories. Some of your information, that is attributed to you and has your name on it, goes through these databases and computers. All it's doing is searching keywords. If your stuff doesn't throw up any red flags, it's filed away never to be seen again. All this to keep us safe. Is that so bad? Sure the government messes up and abuses it's power occasionally but hey, I can't vote yet. Some of you elected them...

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                    • #25
                      It is not what is being done with the data now, it is what a tyrannical Government could do with the capability down the road - just one stroke of the keyboard and we could be controlled beyond belief. This is an example of the camels nose under the tent.
                      Snowden and the AP and Fox are to be commended for bringing this to the attention of the American people.

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                      • #26
                        I think everyone is missing the point!

                        We all know Bush signed the Patriot Act, which is good to a point and it is a fine line. He, I, and many of you know who the enemy is as did Bush and he only targeted them. Don't believe me go back through all the liberal outrage over him never once was he accused of spying on "ordinary Americans" and to this day nothing has been brought to light that he target just anyone except our enemy. Radical Muslim's are the target and still should be the target under the PA. This is a very simple concept that has already labeled me a zealot and probably now a bigot. Every muslim should be investigated until determined a non-threat to the USA. Once they find a threat then that threat should be investigated more closely by phone records, emails, web traffic, etc... to identify possible accomplices once the trail ends all threats and potential threats should be sought out and imprisoned until determined they are in fact a threat to the safety of the public, and if they are determined not to be release them on their way. Where all this went array is by the Obama administration targeting ordinary citizens out of a just in case measure whether to be PC or for some other nefarious reason. This is a modern day witch hunt when we know who the witch's are. In hunting terms it's the equivalent of going to the Gulf of Mexico to hunt a Wildebeast, it makes no sense.

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                        • #27
                          Snowden's legal problem is that he accepted a security clearance that makes it a crime to disclose unauthorized national secrets. He has so far not revealed any illegality, just a few details regarding antiterror programs that were already known to exist.
                          But he has invited the Justice Department to investigate and seek to extradite him so that his example does not prompt others to leak secrets based on their own moral authority.

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                          • #28
                            Well it's official, Boehner and the Republican leadership want Snowden shot as a traitor. Now is the time to stand up to both the Republicans and the Democrats and say loudly and clearly you won't be one of the sheeple anymore. Tell Boehner he's wrong.

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                            • #29
                              I think 99 just about summed it up. Snowdens problem arises from the contract he signed. Dcast phone tapping is nothing new. I worked in Midtown in the 70's. The inside guys would routinely tap into the more interesting lines and hook them up to the the PA system to alleviate boredom. Usually [email protected] b0rdellos. So unauthorized listening is nothing new. Today you don't have to run a wire you just condition the switch remotely.
                              PS the FBI had a field office less than one city block away. I spliced a Tie cable to their basement and they took it from there. They also had apristinen Telephone truck in their garage. So there is nothing new under the sun.

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                              • #30
                                Carl, I know as well as everyone else knows it's nothing new but it still is simply wrong and overstep of authority. I have never been arrested in my life never been accused of any crime, what gives anyone the right to look into my private life? I live a straight and narrow life so I don't have to worry about people looking into my life. This is in my opinion along with millions of others the verge or further of a authoritarian government. You seem well versed in history, I'm not but I have started studying more history in the last 12 yrs for the obvious reasons. Look at the former Soviet Union and how they gained control of their people. They turned person against person through similar means. They turned family members against one another, friends against each other, and every stranger was by all means a spy. They were effectively able to silence the masses. The government has no phathomable reason for what they are doing. Because your allowed to do something doesn't mean you should.

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