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What's a good long range rifle I've been shooting for years just figured I could use some advice on my next rifle whenever I say

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  • fng
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    having the action trued* derp

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  • fng
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    Dakota and all, I was actually posing this question for a while about the 6.5x284. The answers I got were, even if you have a long action, chamber it in .260 Rem, 6.5 Creedmore or 6.5x47 Lapua. You will come within a few hundred FPS of the velocity of the 284, but without the extreme barrel wear. In the case of the Creedmore, there is TONNES of factory and match ammo from Hornady in my city, and that's closely followed by .260 rem. I have a used .270 Rem 700 that was bought for me, its around 30 years old (the gentleman we bought it from told us it was his father's rifle). I would screw in this Rock Creek 6.5 barrel I have in my basement, chamber it in the Creedmore, after having the action blued, I'd put on a 20 MOA rail at the rifle shop, then drop it in an AICS chassis and put in a Timney trigger. Ten shot clips, I think so

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  • Safado
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    Saddletramp101,
    I'm a little confused...you have an ideal long range rig in the Savage .338 Lapua with a Niteforce scope...what more can you want? Judging from your coyote comment get another Savage; the Long Range Predator in one of the three or four calibers that it comes in, take the Niteforce off of the .338 Lapua and call it a day. That won't allow you to kill anything at 1,000 yards but you can punch prarie poodles out to about 500 yards!

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  • DakotaMan
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    NightForce makes an outstanding long range scope and is one of the most commonly used in competetive shooting and military applications. At 1200 yards, a scope costing $3000 more may only give you an additional .0002 of an inch of additional accuracy at 1000 yards. You won't need more.

    If your intended target is coyote, you don't need nearly the level of enery that you would for elk. You will also benefit from significantly reduced recoil to assist your accuracy. The 6.5x284 is an outstanding cartridge for that application as is the 7mm WSM. I'd take the 7mm myself if you are serious about the 1200 yards. Take a look at some of the interesting results posted on 6mmmbr.com regarding these cartridges and remember... accuracy is paramount.

    Just because a manufacturer produces a "long range" rifle doesn't mean it is accurate at that range. I still recommend getting a custom barrel as most over-the-counter barrels are just not in that league and you really notice the difference at 1000-1200 yards. For example, if you can't shoot an occassional 4 inch, five shot group at that range, you aren't really in control of your shot. Just getting to that level with the variance in wind, load, temp, humidity, etc. is a great challenge and will give you years of very interesting challenge.

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  • saddletramp101
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    What about nightforce what do you guys think....

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  • fng
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    And by seen, I meant witnessed LOL. Also, if you want to go the factory route, Savage has the LRH in 6.5x284, which Dave Petzal has a wonderful review on. He also reviews the 6.5x284 cartridge in depth

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  • fng
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    Then by all means, grab a remington or surgeon long (standard) length action, get a premium barrel, and have someone of good (match, tactical or long range experience) chamber it for 6.5x284. You can load it with small, 100 or 120 grain bullets at around 3300-3500 (depends on the load and barrel) fps, and you can load deer or elk killing bullets of the 139-140 grain variety around 3000 (off the top of my head, don't quote me lol). If you're going after close range moose, you can even load 160 grain round nose, but they won't be as ballistically efficient "way out there". Dad used to kill moose all the time with 140 grain Swede (6.5x55), and between that and .270 were his favourite deer rifles. I have a tikka in 6.5x55 and have killed three deer with it, from 25 yards to 340, 2 of them running and all of them offhanded, all of them seen. The 6.5 have little drag, little recoil, and GREAT penetration with proper bullets.

    As for glass, US Optics makes custom scopes and reticles, Schmidt and Bender is great, and Hendsolt and Zeiss make some ridiculously good glass. If you want to put a bit more in the gun, then a 2000 dollar Vortex Razor, or the new Bushnell 4.5-30 XRS (with a ffp reticle, and a whole bunch of goodies) might work juuuuuust fine

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  • saddletramp101
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    Well the reason I want another rifle, is because the 338 is just a big gun honestly I bought that to just see how far I could shoot just to test myself kind of I guy thing I guess and it was true those guns will do some good as long as the shooter on the other end is half as good as the machine. I'm looking for a gun I can shoot yotes and not completely take them in half.

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  • saddletramp101
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    Is nightforce the best out there....?

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  • chuckles
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    If you see an elk at 1200 yds shoulder that fancy rifle and get 800-1000 yds closer.

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  • DakotaMan
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    It depends on what you are trying to do with it. If you are target shooting and just trying to poke holes, the lighter recoil choices like 6.5x284 do a great job at 1000 yards. Low recoil will do far more for your accuracy than attempting to upgrade the NightForce glass.

    If you want to have enough energy to kill deer or elk sized game at that range, you have to get at minimum a .300 magnum. The .338 Lapua has plenty of power too but I've seen mixed results with it at that range because of its recoil and what it does to a nervous trigger finger. If you can stay smooth on the trigger, it is a good choice also.

    I shoot a .300 Dakota with finely tuned hand loads and that does just fine at that range. It has an exceptionally accurate barrel though. I have been consistently outshooting the big boomers with it and I notice that many hunters have a tough time being accurate with a rifle that slides them backwards with every shot. If you miss an elk's vital zone at 1200 yards with a .338 Lapua, its energy does nothing for you. That is why I'm shooting that cartridge rather than the .338.

    The cartridge alone doesn't make a good long range shooter either. Accuracy is paramount at that range and a perfectly chambered premium barrel accounts for fully 90% of a rifle's long range accuracy potential.

    Such a rifle does not need to be expensive, it just needs a good barrel. I highly suggest you consider a long range Lothar Walther chambered barrel. They don't stand out at 100 yards but they are truly exceptional at long range because of their unique chambering technique among other things.

    In terms of caliber, I have been testing some of the new .375 VLD bullets and am very intrigued by their potential as a bullet that will be more accurate than the .338 Lapua and 50 BMG with recoil similar to the .338 Lapua. You will need a custom twist rate (at least a 1:10) to stabilize the big VLD bullets and perhaps a Cheytac case design (or a necked up .338 Lapua) to get them over 3000 fps. We haven't seen much of them yet, but with these new .375 bullets, I think they will break out as the next great long range caliber.

    The big .375s will be good for ranges out to 2000 yards and beyond. My suggestion would be to get a custom .375 with a long heavy Lothar Walther barrel for around $3000 and spend the rest on another NightForce for it. If you don't trust your accuracy with your .338 because of recoil, I'd suggest going to a .300 Win or .30/378. I chose the .300 Dakota for its accuracy but wildcats aren't for everyone. Good luck with your .338 and with your new project rifle.

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  • Proverbs
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    Kind of like buying a brand new truck to get 3 mpg more, isn't it?

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  • JPMNTMAN
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    not much better than what you got but with 5 grand whats the cost of a 50 cal. and get the biggest one on the market

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  • jhjimbo
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    Check out Bergara BCR-15 .300WinMag or .300RUM

    base price $4,000

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  • K25
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    Start reloading

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