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Have anti gun liberals boosted gun sales and put more guns into the hands of americans because of gun ban threats? If this is tr

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  • Carl Huber
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    Very true chuckles I always enjoyed the seasons. But living on Long Island it's more cold and damp instead of cold and snowy. Very nice Autumns though. Hope all is well and your not shoveling too much.

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  • chuckles
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    99explorer you're probably right about that but sometimes it's tough for districts and cities to pay the immediate costs of adding guards. Also you have to guard every school but only a tiny fraction of them are actually attacked. Real dollars now vs an potential liablity down the road makes for hard choices.
    I just wish more of the process was focused on proactive solutions like the database you mention. Thinking that banning any one gun or magazine capacity will stop or reduce that type of violence is fuzzy logic at best.
    Carl I really like this time of year. Winters are long in MN but you can almost feel everything getting ready for a new season.

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  • jhjimbo
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    99explorer
    On WJR (Detroit) this AM the police were looking for a murder suspect that is mentally ill. The police found out he has a CCL. No mention on how he obtained the license.

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  • Carl Huber
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    Chuckles nice thing about being old everything goes fast even winter.

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  • 99explorer
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    chuckles - On the subject of funding for armed guards, the cost would be insignificant compared to the liability exposure when a shooting like Newtown occurs.
    One proactive idea presently gathering momentum is the suggestion of a nationwide mental health database accessible to police, but the stigma of having your name in there would discourage those most in need of professional help.
    Still, discussions along those lines could be productive, esp. if they divert attention away from the usual suspects, assault rifles and high-capacity magazines.

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  • chuckles
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    99explorer, I grew up in Baltimore and we had armed police at our schools back in the 80's so I don't find the idea disturbing. Well thought out or not,however, it was a position that was easy prey to arguments based on funding, analogies to MAD, and was too easily refuted by emotional appeals to a view of schools as safe havens vs armed camps. Also the logic of more guns = safer kids does not find much acceptance with fence sitters who don't own guns.
    It also seems reactive rather than proactive. For me the real questions remain, How do we address the sources of violent acts directed at innocent individuals? How do we create a supportive community and economy that reduce many of the stressors that lead to violence? (Kumbayyaa)
    I won't argue that having guards at schools might be necessary in the short term but I would rather the discussion be aimed at long term solutions.
    Thank you Carl and 99explorer, I hope the winter is treating you well.

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  • Carl Huber
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    99 So much for fair and equal reporting

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  • 99explorer
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    Carl - That was (Republican) Vice President Dan Quayle who misspelled potato, and the mainstream media had a field day at his expense.
    Then they overlooked (Democratic) Vice President Al Gore saying that a leopard doesn't change his stripes.
    And they also overlooked (Democratic) President Barack Obama saying that he had visited 57 states with one more to go.

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  • 99explorer
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    I think the NRA adopted a well-thought-out position in proposing armed guards at the public schools, 30% of which are already so protected.

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  • Carl Huber
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    I would have to say well put chuckles. When you're in the public light and the media records your every word. You have to be careful how and what you say. If you remember a few years ago the biggest news was some politician misspelling potato. Why else would the anti gun people invite the "Rock star" that threatened the Presidents life. Or maybe they want to see if that's really a Raccoon stuck up his butt.

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  • chuckles
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    Gary, I'm not saying that the efforts to control guns aren't there. Especially in urban areas where legitimate uses for guns are not part of many peoples' lives.
    I just wish that pro gun efforts were calmer and deliberate. It is a basic tenet of politics and many other forms of human interaction that "whoever gets mad loses". Efforts to restrict Constituional rights make people mad and rightly so. But when that emotion comes out in the public forum everyone retreats to respective camps and hurls abuse instead of engaging in the sort of debate that changes minds. Or at least convinces people on the fence, the majority in most cases, to side one way or the other. Right now, in my opinion, the anti-gun lobby is winning that battle. Slogans like "the only thing that stops a bad guy with gun is a good guy with a gun" just don't get much traction with non-gun owning voters. That argument harks back to the MAD doctrines of the Cold War. If the focus were more on the fact that the mental health of our culture is in real decline on many fronts I think pro gun forces would have been able to deflect a lot of the energy focussed on banning particular guns/clips. The ammo and AR buying panic is not helping the cause either.
    I think the NRA in particular missed an opportunity in the days after Newtown to frame the debate around the real issues that drive violence in our society.

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  • Gary Devine
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    Hey Chuckles, don't forget the northeastern states and California are writing new gun laws all the time. Must be the salt air is affecting the state politicians way of thinking, or it could be their liberals with a agenda.

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  • Carl Huber
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    To answer your question accurately you have to use an accurate means to measure. My son works for Reuters Financial. He mentioned a group called Vice stocks. They follow stocks in legal gambling, tobacco, alcohol and yes the"Merchants of Death" firearms. To mention two S&W stock has increased 119% and Sturm Ruger 43% in the past year. I wonder if some of our Anti Firearm Politicians took advantage of this boom in these hard times.

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  • Pmacc60
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    I don't get your answer,(talk of gun ban) not gun ban and they have been talking. Please enlighten me!

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  • armedliberal
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    That is probably the dumbest rhetorical question I have read in at least 3 minutes. Basically your asking if the gun ban that doesn't exist works... uhhhhh maybe it does cause... uhhh somebody on TV said it does... uhhhhhh so yeah it doesn't and uhhhhn Obama is a communist.

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