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    I did a paper on the TVA and price fixing between the suppliers. I learned a common practice of some companies was to move a plant when work force reached a certain age / expense. They would offer workers a job at the new facility but knew few would make the move.
    BTW, price fixing was controlled by the phase of the moon. Each phase determined who would get the bid - they got caught because sometimes the bid was to the exact amount to two or three decimal places. GE was a big offender, as were all the other equipment manufacturers.

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    Originally posted by rock rat View Post

    Remington was really Cerberus Capital Management since before Obama, they were cleaned out via quick quarterly profits and bonuses with stock sales, gutted, went into bankruptcy twice, and what is left of the company is mostly it's name. I think the federal pension fund took over pensions, they dumped all the union workers.

    They are no different than many old American manufacturers, they hung on longer due to reputation and manufacturing firearms overseas is tricky. The way to extract lots of money is to buy a floundering US company with a reputation, borrow heavily to create big profits sucked up by management and shareholders then bankruptcy. Small shareholders and workers get screwed. Slimey scuzzy way to do business, sure. Profitable, you betchum.
    In kinda late aren’t you?

    Union workers didn’t get dumped.

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    Originally posted by Danbo View Post
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-mak...-800-jobs/#app

    This is sad and devastating for the small city of Ilion NY .
    Remington was really Cerberus Capital Management since before Obama, they were cleaned out via quick quarterly profits and bonuses with stock sales, gutted, went into bankruptcy twice, and what is left of the company is mostly it's name. I think the federal pension fund took over pensions, they dumped all the union workers.

    They are no different than many old American manufacturers, they hung on longer due to reputation and manufacturing firearms overseas is tricky. The way to extract lots of money is to buy a floundering US company with a reputation, borrow heavily to create big profits sucked up by management and shareholders then bankruptcy. Small shareholders and workers get screwed. Slimey scuzzy way to do business, sure. Profitable, you betchum.

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    Originally posted by jhjimbo View Post

    Can a -06 700 be reamed to .35Whelan with new barrel and no other work?
    If you take a bedded action off a stock does it need to be re-bedded?
    Are your actions ghost actions ? Are you a mfg?
    Yes, you can take a standard 30-06 action and screw in a 35 Whelen barrel with no other modifications other than relieving the barrel channel if necessary (if the barrel is a larger contour than the 30-06 barrel).

    I "skim bed" every epoxied stock when inserting a different action in the stock. The measurements of each Rem 700 action/recoil lug are slightly different. You just need to remove a little epoxy and redo the bedding. You could conceivably just move a Rem 700 action to another stock that was bedded for a Rem 700 as long as you use the same recoil lug. You may have to relieve the recoil lug slot in the new stock to fit the recoil lug because they are all likely to be significantly different. This wouldn't likely be as accurate as a complete skim bed but it would be much better than the factory bedding. Stocks must be pillar bedded because the action screws will bend the Rem 700 action in most stocks. That was the main problem with my 25-06 Sendero. No pillars (or internal metal frame) meant you could see the action bend as you tightened the action screws to 45 in/lbs. It's even worse in polymer stocks.

    I do not make ghost actions and am not a manufacturer. I am just a hobbyist who buys and registers all serialized receivers with my local FFL. If I'm making a rifle for a friend, I have them pick up the serialized receiver/action at the FFL and register it to them. I have the barrels, stocks, rails, optics, triggers, parts, etc. shipped directly to me so I can customize and assemble them. I have a Cerakote oven and do the custom painting myself. Although I could do it, I send bolts out to get bolt faces bushed and custom bolt fluting done.

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    Originally posted by DakotaMan View Post
    Sure Fitch, I've used several every year since I retired in 2009. I normally just buy the actions, true them, Cerakote them and custom fit all the parts. All of those custom built rifles shoot lights out. I either shoot them myself or participate with my friends as they hunt or shoot them. I hunt with a Rem 700 Sendero circa 2005 that I bought cheap because it shot 3-5 MOA (minute of angle) groups. I bedded it and it now shoots around .2 MOA. One of the defective actions mentioned above I chambered in 25 Creedmoor and shot it in F-Class Open competition (75 rounds per match) last year just to work it through its paces. It shot real well until I burned out the barrel at 1475 rounds (I shot it hot in the summer heat). The other defective action (re-worked) I mentioned is being shot by a close friend weekly in a 6mm Dasher for long range targets and 1000 yard P-Dogs. I talk to him nearly weekly to check on its performance. I now shoot another one chambered in 6mm Dasher in 600 and 1000 yard competition. I shoot too many others to bore you with here.

    I've also tested, bedded and developed loads for many factory 700s that my friends own just to help them out. In most cases their new rifles have shot in the .5 MOA range or better after I finished with them (this is with factory barrels and actions). Most factory rifles I've seen with factory ammo are new rifles that shoot from 1.5 MOA groups to 10 MOA groups until I finish working on them. Of course, I don't test a lot of my friends Rem 700s that work fine as they usually don't need help on their rifles unless they have a problem with them. Most know I build custom precision rifles. I've seen and shot a lot of Rem 700s that shoot around 1 MOA or better out of the box but there are typically bedding problems with most of them.

    As an example of the problems:
    One factory 7mm Win Mag ($350 Walmart ADL) shot 10" groups at 100 yards because of the cheap Tupperware stock with poor bedding. After epoxy bedding, it shot .4 MOA groups at 500 yards with factory ammo. He just got a nice 10 point elk with it two weeks ago.

    Another factory .308 Long Range model with heavy barrel shot 3 .5 MOA groups when new. After bedding and load development it shot in the .1 MOA range. That's right... all the bullets go through the same tiny hole.

    I bought a .243 ADL in 2000 for $400 at Walmart. The best I could do with it was 1.5 MOA after load development and bedding. I finally took the barrel off and threw it away. I trued the action and did a custom build with it in 6mm Creedmoor. It now shoots in the .2 MOA range out to 1000 yards.

    In 2019, I helped a good friend with his factory new LR .338 Lapua. It started out at 2 MOA but after bedding, working up a load and putting a different muzzle brake on it, it now shoots in the .1 MOA range... quite a very long range rifle indeed.

    I won't bore you with more but suffice it to say, I pull the trigger on a lot of Rem 700s (and have for 25years) and like them. I tell everyone to epoxy bed them as I have never seen one shoot worse with bedding and I've seen a LOT of them shoot remarkably well once bedded. If I were Remington, I'd make a line where they pillar bed the stock, true the action and put a dab of epoxy bedding behind the recoil lug at the factory. The added cost would be under $50 and they couldn't make enough of them in spite of New York laws.
    I have had good luck with 700's. Have two now - 7mmRemMag and a -06.
    Question: can a -06 700 be reamed to .35Whelan with new barrel and no other work?
    Question: if you take a bedded action off a stock does it need to be re-bedded?
    Pics are some 700's - several I was shooting off hand 100yds.
    Correction, there is no 7mmWinMag.
    There is a 7mmRemington Mag.

    There is a 7mm Win Short Mag, different cartridge.

    Are your actions ghost actions ? Are you a mfg ?

    Jim

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    Originally posted by fitch270 View Post
    Ok, but have you actually used a newer action.
    Sure Fitch, I've used several every year since I retired in 2009. I normally just buy the actions, true them, Cerakote them and custom fit all the parts. All of those custom built rifles shoot lights out. I either shoot them myself or participate with my friends as they hunt or shoot them. I hunt with a Rem 700 Sendero circa 2005 that I bought cheap because it shot 3-5 MOA (minute of angle) groups. I bedded it and it now shoots around .2 MOA. One of the defective actions mentioned above I chambered in 25 Creedmoor and shot it in F-Class Open competition (75 rounds per match) last year just to work it through its paces. It shot real well until I burned out the barrel at 1475 rounds (I shot it hot in the summer heat). The other defective action (re-worked) I mentioned is being shot by a close friend weekly in a 6mm Dasher for long range targets and 1000 yard P-Dogs. I talk to him nearly weekly to check on its performance. I now shoot another one chambered in 6mm Dasher in 600 and 1000 yard competition. I shoot too many others to bore you with here.

    I've also tested, bedded and developed loads for many factory 700s that my friends own just to help them out. In most cases their new rifles have shot in the .5 MOA range or better after I finished with them (this is with factory barrels and actions). Most factory rifles I've seen with factory ammo are new rifles that shoot from 1.5 MOA groups to 10 MOA groups until I finish working on them. Of course, I don't test a lot of my friends Rem 700s that work fine as they usually don't need help on their rifles unless they have a problem with them. Most know I build custom precision rifles. I've seen and shot a lot of Rem 700s that shoot around 1 MOA or better out of the box but there are typically bedding problems with most of them.

    As an example of the problems:
    One factory 7mm Win Mag ($350 Walmart ADL) shot 10" groups at 100 yards because of the cheap Tupperware stock with poor bedding. After epoxy/pillar bedding, it shot .4 MOA groups at 500 yards with factory ammo. He just got a nice 10 point elk with it two weeks ago.

    Another factory .308 Long Range model with heavy barrel shot 3 .5 MOA groups when new. After bedding and load development it shot in the .1 MOA range. That's right... all the bullets go through the same tiny hole.

    I bought a .243 ADL in 2000 for $400 at Walmart. The best I could do with it was 1.5 MOA after load development and bedding. I finally took the barrel off and threw it away. I trued the action and did a custom build with it in 6mm Creedmoor. It now shoots in the .2 MOA range out to 1000 yards.

    In 2019, I helped a good friend with his factory new LR .338 Lapua. It started out at 2 MOA but after bedding, working up a load and putting a different muzzle brake on it, it now shoots in the .1 MOA range... quite a very long range rifle indeed.

    I won't bore you with more but suffice it to say, I pull the trigger on a lot of Rem 700s (and have for 25years) and like them. I tell everyone to epoxy bed them as I have never seen one shoot worse with bedding and I've seen a LOT of them shoot remarkably well once bedded. If I were Remington, I'd make a line where they pillar bed the stock, true the action and put a dab of epoxy bedding behind the recoil lug at the factory. The added cost would be under $50 and they couldn't make enough of them in spite of New York laws.
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    [QUOTE=jhjimbo; Watch the video and the following couple to see the QC involved in making a firearm.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for posting jimbo. I've always appreciated my Remington firearms and their long history of serving our country. That 870 was a thing of beauty. I love my 870 Wingmaster and it looks almost as good. I have eliminated all my other shotguns and have used the 870 exclusively for about 30 years now. To me it feels like an extension of my arm and I am comfortable with it. I also I like to admire it when nothing is flying. I look forward to checking out some of their newly manufactured products when they finish setting up in Georgia. I look forward to the day I don't have to true Rem 700 actions any more.

    I especially enjoyed watching them making the Model 51 pistols again. I inherited one of them from my great grandfather that he bought around 1918-1919 and used it as a pocket pistol to accompany him on trucking whiskey from Chicago to his saloon in western Iowa. The cowpokes that frequented his saloon didn't accept prohibition.

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    If I remember, the new CNC were installed some 5 or more years ago. Multi million $$ investment for Remington. They made a video of them all lined up in the factory. Must have been 10 or 15 of them.

    Watch the video and the following couple to see the QC involved in making a firearm.
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE
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    Originally posted by fitch270 View Post
    Dakota; Since Remington shut down in Sept. 2020 you must have gotten some of the last actions to roll off the line. Your experience counters what I’ve read elsewhere.
    Fitch, I suspect that the defective actions I had were among the last to be manufactured before the bankruptcy. They may even have been cleaning out the last of their inventory, including those with known defects. I bought the actions with no barrels, stocks, etc.

    Please don't let my comments dissuade you from considering a Rem 700. I've bought dozens of them that were great from the 1970s until 2020. One of my favorite hunting rifles is a Rem 700 and I have had great experience with all Rem 700s up to that point in time. You can tell the new actions made on the new machinery at Remington because they have the QR Code beautifully engraved on the bottom of the receiver. Most have had a beautiful fit and finish and I can't wait for them to get production started in Georgia. American needs more of these fine rifles available at a reasonable price.
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    Last edited by DakotaMan; 11-16-2021, 02:26 PM.

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    Originally posted by jhjimbo View Post

    Did they ever put the electronic trigger in the Remington 700 ? Amost 0 lock time.
    Remington did test their EtronX electronic trigger and found that it did improve precision but not enough that most shooters would pay extra for it. Remington has not yet released the EtronX because of early adopter issues common to all major technology introduction. It had no hammer or firing pin but required special bullets that didn't use primers. We may see this one day, especially for target shooting, varmint shooting and competitive shooting.

    If you dry fire your rifle, you can see how much the sear and hammer action make the rifle jump in current bolt action designs. If you put the cross hairs on a distant target and dry fire, you will see the cross hair jumps off the point of aim due to this movement. We are at the point where experts can shoot a 2" group or so at 600 yards with traditional firing pin technology but I have no doubt that electronic triggers with no hammer and firing pin movement would improve that. Most hunters have no need for this level of precision but the shooting applications noted above would benefit from higher precision.

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    Originally posted by DakotaMan View Post

    The newest Rem 700 actions I have been able to acquire have been a pair of short action stainless steel actions from late 2020. Newer actions have been hard to get. Those had an outstanding finish but both of them had "fit" issues.

    On these two, the bolt lugs only touched the receiver lugs on the very outside of one bolt lug. This was because the outside edges on the front of the receiver lugs were rounded on the outside edge. Neither were the lugs weren't aligned so that all lugs fit together on battery and on recoil.

    They both also had a bolt timing issue. There was too much distance between the rear of the receiver and the bolt handle. They occasionally failed to eject fired cartridges completely when they cammed over the ejection ramp on the rear of the receiver and consequently locked up the bolt.

    I had to true and flatten the edges of all lugs and re-time the bolt handles on both. This required removing the bolt handles and soldering them back on with correct timing. So far, I have encountered three actions with similar issues out of the dozens I have trued and those three were all newer than the mid-2020s. Once trued, all the Rem 700 actions I have done shoot as well as any action on the competition circuits.

    My favorite Rem 700 actions come from 1970s vintage. They are solid; typically with better lug matchup. The Rem 700 action is an excellent design for keeping manufacturing cost low while providing the capability for MOA or even sub MOA accuracy for hunting applications. For those who want to achieve competition level accuracy, known adjustments can be made and a myriad of after market products can make it among the best.

    I consider the factory Rem 700 action to generally be plenty high enough precision for hunting applications. The issues I discovered seemed to be limited to their last days of manufacture before the bankruptcy. Most factory 700 actions are lacking a bit in precision manufacture and require truing of the bolt and receiver lugs, truing of the front of the receiver and insertion of a thicker trued recoil lug to attain match quality precision. I also epoxy bed them to control action torque and to prevent variances in barrel harmonics from shot to shot.

    The new triggers are adjustable with pull weights from about 2 1/2 to about 6 pounds and they are excellent for hunting applications. I replace all of them with Jewell or Bix N Andy triggers for long range precision shooting; most being set at 1 1/2 ounces. The lock time (the time from sear release to primer impact) is among the best on Rem 700s but I often replace the firing pin and firing pin springs with lighter/faster sets for even better lock time. This helps competition shooters minimize movement of the rifle between the time they pull the trigger and the rifle goes bang.
    Did they ever put the electronic trigger in the Remington 700 ? Amost 0 lock time.

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    Dakota; Since Remington shut down in Sept. 2020 you must have gotten some of the last actions to roll off the line. Your experience counters what I’ve read elsewhere.

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    Originally posted by fitch270 View Post
    Ok, but have you actually used a newer action.
    The newest Rem 700 actions I have been able to acquire have been a pair of short action stainless steel actions from late 2020. Newer actions have been hard to get. Those had an outstanding finish but both of them had "fit" issues.

    On these two, the bolt lugs only touched the receiver lugs on the very outside of one bolt lug. This was because the outside edges on the front of the receiver lugs were rounded on the outside edge. Also, the lugs weren't aligned so that all lugs fit together on battery and on recoil.

    They both also had a bolt timing issue. There was too much distance between the rear of the receiver and the bolt handle. They occasionally failed to eject fired cartridges completely when they cammed over the ejection ramp on the rear of the receiver and consequently locked up the bolt.

    I had to true and flatten the edges of all lugs and re-time the bolt handles on both. This required removing the bolt handles and soldering them back on with correct timing. So far, I have encountered three actions with similar issues out of the dozens I have trued and those three were all newer than the mid-2020s. Once trued, all the Rem 700 actions I have done shoot as well as any action on the competition circuits.

    My favorite Rem 700 actions come from 1970s vintage. They are solid; typically with better lug matchup. The Rem 700 action is an excellent design for keeping manufacturing cost low while providing the capability for MOA or even sub MOA accuracy for hunting applications. For those who want to achieve competition level accuracy, known adjustments can be made and a myriad of after market products can make it among the best.

    I consider the factory Rem 700 action to generally be plenty high enough precision for hunting applications. The issues I discovered seemed to be limited to their last days of manufacture before the bankruptcy. Most factory 700 actions are lacking a bit in precision manufacture and require truing of the bolt and receiver lugs, truing of the front of the receiver and insertion of a thicker trued recoil lug to attain match quality precision. I also epoxy bed them to control action torque and to prevent variances in barrel harmonics from shot to shot.

    The new triggers are adjustable with pull weights from about 2 1/2 to about 6 pounds and they are excellent for hunting applications. I replace all of them with Jewell or Bix N Andy triggers for long range precision shooting; most being set at 1 1/2 ounces. The lock time (the time from sear release to primer impact) is among the best on Rem 700s but I often replace the firing pin and firing pin springs with lighter/faster sets for even better lock time. This helps competition shooters minimize movement of the rifle between the time they pull the trigger and the rifle goes bang.
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    Ok, but have you actually used a newer action.

    https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...0#Post16610777

    As far as believing what one reads on the internet, well I’ll let that be.
    Llama Bob is probably one of those that messed with a Remington 700 trigger. They were designed to NOT be adjustible. So, what did all the A-holes do that tinker with things - they dug the seal material out from over the adjustment screws and made adjustments which then made them dangerous. Then they have the nerve to blame Remington.
    I have and have had about a dozen Remingtons of the '60,70, 80 and 90's that had that trigger and have NEVER had a trigger issue with any of them. I always run the test on triggers (with any Manufacturer) and they NEVER failed. How do you explain that Llama Bob ??

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    Originally posted by DakotaMan View Post

    I really like their Rem 700 action and so do all the knock-off after market manufacturers. The factory rifles shoot well and are more than adequate for hunting. For long range precision shooting, the first thing I do with them is put them on the lathe and true them. I rarely see one that is true enough to shoot competitively. Once trued, they are as accurate as a premium action. I go by what I see in long range competition scores, not by what is written on the Internet. As a matter of fact, I'm shooting a Rem 700 action with a 30" no-taper barrel in an F-Class Open 600 yard competition this morning. If I get beat, it won't be because of my action.
    Ok, but have you actually used a newer action.

    https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...0#Post16610777

    As far as believing what one reads on the internet, well I’ll let that be.

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