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  • I see some Florida dude was busted at the border crossing coming into Canada. They found not one or even two but four loaded ha

    I see some Florida dude was busted at the border crossing coming into Canada. They found not one or even two but four loaded handguns stashed at various locations in his motor home. One beside the bed, one under the driver seat, one under the couch, and yes, even had one stashed in the crapper. And a couple of cans of bear spray too (but I don't think that's illegal - not sure why the paper decided to mention it). Someone is a little paranoid! Buddy, you're coming to Canada not Mexico. He lost all the guns and $4,000. Looks like he'll be doing some jail time too. His fishing trip ended before it got started. For those who don't know, there is NO conceal carry up here ... anywhere. And they will ask you about guns when crossing the border. Don't lie to them. Especially if you're driving a motor home with camo seat covers. In the old days you could declare your handgun and they'd seal it up and ship it to your point of re-entry to US. But I think they stopped that a long time ago. Also, if you declare your guns and they turn you back, don't think you'll be able to sneak through at a nother crossing. They flag your plate into the system. I regularly move my guns across the border and I regularly get searched ... and I'm sure that's why. I have nothing to hide and am never in a hurry so they are always welcome to look.

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    Perhaps he lives in Chicago and needs the firepower. Pretty sure Delbert Belton (88 year old WWII beaten to death) wishes he had stashed a pistol or two in his car.

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    • #3
      I think the punishment is a little severe for a trip that does not appear to have smuggling of contraband as its main purpose.
      Confiscation of the guns would have been more than enough punishment.

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      • #4
        It was pretty much an open border for years. Maybe the guy has not been to Canada for the last 20 years.

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        • #5
          Jay, you’re correct and I couldn’t agree any more with the 88 year old vet packing heat. Even and 88 year old woman would be alive today if she had a handgun.

          99explorer, Canada is extremely tough on handguns. They would hammer their own citizens with fines, penalties and jail time if caught with an illegal handgun.

          Everyone should be careful when crossing a border into another country. I had an idiot from our gun club hide drugs in his truck while crossing into Canada on a hunting trip. Two other passengers and I didn't know the drugs were there and could have been busted.

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          • #6
            Once apon a time when I was young and dumb some friends and I decided to go to Niagra Falls to drink and gamble, and since we were all only 19, canada was worth the 3 hr drive to go to the bar. Well, I was driving my mom's vehicle and when we got to the border they ordered us to a little side building where we were met with 3 mounties and a canine. To my surprise my friend decided to bring some weed with him which the dog picked up on right away and needless to say we were all scared sh!tless. They took us all aside and started questioning us and searching us and then all of a sudden all their attention got focused on a truck beside us. There were 2 guys that got slammed to the ground and cuffed with dogs standing over them ready to pounce. At that moment I saw an officer had pulled 2 handguns out of the drivers side of the truck. One of which was even holstered. I was surprised at their reaction to the guns (didn't know Canada's laws then). Then an officer approached me with a piece of paper that said my friends and I were not allowed back in Canada for 2 years and my mom's vehicle was never allowed in Canada under the same plates again. She then told me it was my lucky day and to get the hell out of Canada. I then had the pleasure of explaining to my mom why her vehicle was no longer allowed in Canada, and that did not go over very well!

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            • #7
              I think the question of intent is important in cases like this. A person planning to spend some vacation time (and money) in Canada, and then return to the U.S. without touching his firearms presents a different situation than a smuggler intending to sell the guns in Canada.
              Apparently the law is simplistic in its terms and allows no leeway for judgment or discretion.
              Too bad for all concerned.

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              • #8
                99explorer: The order of questioning when crossing into Canada is ALWAYS: 1) What is your citizenship? 2) Where are you from? 3) Where are you going? 4) Purpose of your visit? 5) DO YOU HAVE ANY FIREARMS, TOBACCO, OR ALCOHOL WITH YOU? (interesting that question corresponds to US infamous bureau of the same name). This isn't some case of ignorance of the law. You lie to the border guys you are going to get hammered! It's not so much about smuggling, it's about lying when asked a very clear question. The reason for asking the visitor the firearms question is to help those who don't know avoid getting in trouble with the law. I'm sorry but those who lie about what they are bringing across are guilty of smuggling and, in this case, carrying a loaded weapon in a vehicle which is also a very serious offense up here. Had the guy answered in the affirmative he would have been okay. They would have told him he couldn't cross with pistols or loaded weapons and that would have been the end of it. He gets to turn around and go fix the situation before attempting to cross again. I suspect this guy already had the warning and just tried to lie his way into Canada at another crossing. As I understand it the stiff fine was for lying about what he was transporting. And it wasn't enough if you ask me. Heck, they have raised the duty free allowance to ridiculous levels recently. Spend a week in Canada and you can just about bring a new truck back to the US without duty (an exaggeration of course).

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                • #9
                  The bear spray is illegal, or at least illegal to import. I used to carry a small can of pepper spray velcroed to the underside of my bike seat in case of dogs. Crossing the Canadian border with my bike on back and several long guns in the car, it was the pepper spray they had a problem with (I had the paperwork for the guns). They confiscated the pepper spray and kept me at the border for nearly four hours searching everything. They even searched my laptop for child pornography.

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                  • #10
                    I don't see that there is any excuse. If you are going to another country, or even another state and you are carrying firearms of any kind, then you need to know the laws.

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                    • #11
                      By the way, unless this guy had a concealed carry permit for Minnesota (which is unlikely) he was already breaking the law carrying loaded pistols in his vehicle in Minnesota where without a permit it is illegal "to transport [a handgun] in a motor vehicle, snowmobile or boat if the firearm is not unloaded and in a closed and fastened case, gun box or securely tied package." Know what the regs are where your traveling, even in the States.

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                      • #12
                        Honker - Granted he knowingly violated the law, but I think the punishment is excessive if jail time is added to the stiff fine and forfeiture of the firearms. Maybe they'll confiscate his vehicle as well.
                        It seems to me that criminal intent should be a necessary element for the crime of smuggling. There is a distinction in the law between acts that are intrinsically wrongful and acts that are innocent but prohibited by law.
                        A person legally carrying a concealed weapon in one state can become a criminal for the same act by stepping across a state line in this country.
                        Personally, I would suspect smuggling in the present case only if the guns were stashed in a hidden compartment and were UNLOADED.

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                        • #13
                          My hunting group got the Firearm Declaration Form months before our hunting trip. They wanted the make of the rifle, the caliber, serial number and what type of action (pump, single shot, automatic, etc.). The fee was around $30.

                          The link below is for the Declaration form. If you want at the border to fill out the form it could take hours for approval.

                          www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/visit/notice-avis-eng.htm

                          Ontario, the Canadian Border police in Saskatchewan also asked if we had any fruit, plants or prescription drugs.

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                          • #14
                            The United States Border Police are just as tough. We were waiting for our return flight home at the Saskatoon, Saskatchewan airport.
                            My youngest brother had his named called over the loud speaker to report to the USA Border Police.

                            My brother left a single rifle shell inside his hunting jacket and they picked it up on the x-ray machine. No bullets can be loose during a flight they all need to be placed back inside the plastic holder in your cardboard rifle shell box.

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                            • #15
                              Gary: Yeah, both sides will ask about fruit. No non-US citrus can be transported into US and no US apples into Canada. European and So. American citrus can contain a fruit fly in the peel that US fruit growers want to keep out of the country. Similarly, Canada is trying to keep the US's apple maggot out of their agriculture. Or that's the excuse both sides use to violate the Free Trade Agreement.

                              I don't believe it's possible to transport via airline any loose ammunition. Not just a US thing either. When you think about it, it's obviously a safety issue. Last week I was clearing security for a domestic flight to Toronto. I threw my change and keys into the tray as usual. Uh-oh! My key ring has a dummy 12 gauge shell attached (great for keeping my keys from getting lost when hunting ... I just stick it in one of the shell loops. Also nice size for the jean pockets and its round shape makes it comfortable and easy to pull out without dragging everything else along). The nice young man apologized but said it was not possible to allow the shell to go with me on the plane. He said it didn't make any difference that it was obviously a dud with wood inside. Any "facsimile" of firearm or ammo is not allowed in carry on. I presume its so other passengers don't freak out which is certainly understandable given recent events. I slipped the shell off the ring and he said he'd keep it for me till I got back but I forgot about it. I have made up several for friends so not a big deal. I hope he enjoys it.

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