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I know it's been asked a hundred times but does anyone know when ammunition will return to the shelves?

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  • blueticker
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    I have offered to prepay for a brick or so of 22 LR and take delivery on arrival, assuming a reasonable price and time frame. Two independent dealers said "We can't do that"....I asked why, but got no sensible reply, but was not talking to the business owner at the time. Both stores told me they sold 22 for "regular price" when they received it, but would not take prepay, nor would they offer to call me when some arrived. I paid one of those dealers $500 for a 22 revolver in the past 6 mos, and he told me I should show up there every am to see if any new ammo arrived.

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  • HugoChess
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    If Socialist (Progressive) Hillary gets in for another eight (8) years of the same Communist stuff that we are seeing now it will be many years, if ever, that ammo will be available on the shelves. And yes, our country is already at the end of the United States as we know it, and hello to the United Socialist States of America. On this 4th of July, let's wake up! We love our Country, let's not transform it any more. The truth is that they can't take our guns, so they are taking our ammo.

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  • themadflyfisher
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    Dallas- 26 "No" posts?!!! And you gave yourself a +1 on all of them? Are you 12 years old....?!

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  • jhjimbo
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    OB is going to send arms (and ammo?) to Syria to the so called rebels. Does this mean the ammo shortage could be extended because of this action.
    This could cause Russia to up the anti since they support Assad so we may get into a pi--ing contest with Russia in supplying weapons to Syria. I have a feeling this is not going to turn out well - like Egypt and Libya, SNAFU.

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  • Ontario Honker Hunter
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    Amflyer, here's the problem with the back order idea. The store winds up with tens of thousands of back orders that it has to fill after the bubble bursts when prices drop again. But they are contracted by the back order to buy and sell them at the inflated prices. Of course, the customers don't want to pay that price anymore but more importantly most of them probably don't see any gain in hoarding any longer either. So they simply don't pick up the orders. Oops! Store winds up with a warehouse full of ammo it can't get rid of. That'll put em out of business in a hurry! It might be a bit different if the stores took payment for the back orders when they were made but no one ever does that. Hard to make someone pay for something they aren't getting. What happens if the store goes under before the orders come in? Frankly, even if the vendors did make customers pay up front for placing a back order, I'm sure few people would place back orders during the panic anyway knowing that the price is liable to come down before the order comes in. Maybe you would pay to place a back order under those conditions but I wouldn't.

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  • Amflyer
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    Stores and online stores need to open up the back orders again. It will both satisfy the panic buyers ("I got 1000 on back order; I'm set!) as well as letting those who really need them to at least eventually get some. It would also allow the sellers to regulate somewhat the flow of ammo and cut out those individuals that are buying everything, either for profit or just greed.

    The 22lr thing has just got to stop. If it goes on long enough, there are going to be a lot of kids not ever getting into the sport. Before you tell me I'm full of it, think about the BSA request for ammo for their programs. That exercise won't last long if its such an expense and hassle getting ammo. I wonder how the sale of 10/22 rifles has been lately?

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  • jhjimbo
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    A friend outside of Atlanta told me he got a brick of .22lr today - $42.

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  • themadflyfisher
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    A friend's wife is a manager at a Dunhams sporting goods store and she says 22lr are gone within a couple hours of them being stocked and it's the same couple guys that are buying them. I'll admit that between myself and father in law we have a few thousand rounds of 22lr. but we had them before this whole hoarding thing started. I just wish I would've stocked up on 9mm. I just want to go shoot but the few boxes that are available aren't worth the prices.

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  • RJ Arena
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    I do not believe it is the manufacturer's, from what I have been able to look into they are maxed out on production, and are hesitant to increase their capacity, when this bubble bursts, then there will be too much available. these companies like steady growth, not erratic unpredictable up and down shifts, it is very expensive to increase/decrease production lines. The media and ourselves are to blame,; the media for hyping up all of the [email protected] from Obama to crazy hoarders, and our selves for, well, hoarding.
    I know of a lot of shooters that form "teams" that hit all of the stores in the area every day to snatch up what ever comes in, and that creates an artificial demand. I am not ignoring the government agencies that are buying up certain calibers, but they are not buying .22lr, that is on our shoulders.

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  • Ontario Honker Hunter
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    Let's see, the worst shortages are .22 ammo. Now why would Homeland Security be buying up all the .22 shells? To shoot terrorist gophers? Pfffft! Let's blame everyone and everything else but ourselves. This runaway train reminds me of the Bre-X scam a few years back. Like WAM said, the biggest part of this fiasco has greed at its roots. And the greed is not from Homeland Security, the Obama administration, or the manufacturers reducing production (and I certainly don't fault them for foolishly increasing production to satisfy what is obviously only a temporarily inflated demand). When this bubble pops it is going to go boom louder than that pocket cannon recently featured in Gunfight Friday. Save your money boys for scavenging off the fools when that happens. There will be a lot of easy pickings! And don't feel bad about helping yourself either. Those idiots didn't feel bad about making things miserable for you in hopes of making a fast buck for themselves. I can hardly wait to see where they point the finger when the speculative train they're riding derails and they're stuck with a lot of overpriced guns and ammo that no one will take off their hands for anything less than a huge loss. One things for sure, they won't be pointing the finger at themselves.

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  • jhjimbo
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    I do not remember shortages like this when everyone was stocking up for Y2K or previous rumors of government intervention in the supply chain of primers, etc.
    I think it is something else. Ammo Companies are not
    going to reduce their production to manipulate market conditions. They are in business to stay in business.
    I watched a video on youtube of a tour of CCI in Idaho where they make .22lr. They make 7,000,000 .22lr per day. No, this shortage is something more - like the combination of all the things people have speculated plus the huge orders by Homeland Security.
    I have heard ammo manufacturers and firearms manufacturers are running full bore.
    One possible explain is that demand has moved from the 'normal' defined shooter market to a much more expanded general population market of NEW firearms owners and shooters effectively doubling the normal
    market size. Just MHO.

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  • Ontario Honker Hunter
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    Bingo, WAM. Blaming it on the producers is silly. Why should they go to the expense of ramping up their production simply to satisfy some bubble that's going to burst at any time? Then the demand will sag to nothing and the companies will be stuck trying to pay for a bunch of expansion they don't need. If that happens, you never will see prices go down again! Hopefully many of the producers are following Walmart's lead and avoiding contributing to the disaster. Which would be their own disaster if they wound up stuck with a ton of overpriced inventory after the panic subsides.

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  • WA Mtnhunter
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    When the dipsticks that buy ammunition and components just because it is on the shelf quit hoarding it, that's when! I saw some geezer that had trouble even walking up to checkout at Cabela's buying 2,000 shotgun primers and 2,000 pistol primers. The guy could not even fill out his check! Now tell me how much shotgun reloading and shooting that old guy was going to do? He kept telling the cashier that these are better than gold. Unbelievable!

    That's why some of you don't have ammo or components!

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  • Panfry101
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    Don't blame the ammo shortages on the government. It is the ammunition companies that aren't producing enough ammo. Basic economics say that something is going wrong here, and it's not the fault of the government. Think about it. There is basically a limitless amount of ammunition that any company can make, assuming the market will bare it. The market can bare a lot more ammo than is being produced right now. Saying that the companies are stepping up production to meet market demands is most likely false, because we would already be able to buy ammo by now. How long could offset be on stepping up production? It could not be more than 5 or 6 months, and it's been considerably longer than that.

    The bottom line is that it's not any governments' fault for the ammo shortages, (sure they may have kicked off the buying spree), but it's the ammunition manufacturers that are neglecting the market's demands. If you're going to be angry with the government, it shouldn't be about this.

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  • Bioguy01
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    jhjimbo - That's to say if a rebellion uprising doesn't occur first. There's only so much BS people will take before they snap.

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